From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 24 03:13:08 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 24 May 2007 03:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrAJV-0000RY-24 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:12:59 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.229]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrAJC-0000RA-74 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:12:54 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so289673wxc for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:12:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ShcfW7wxSzZMr4tt0mfDevcgPI8f5CYHLsIJYyaW3kDGYx4FjDbIsJI4ccx5xZM+cEmaSQTcxvNOQuSgNONOT7qb+QZZb3bjvFgIOZL6D3Dj5EDY2TTZZ09qUrGeANnfsp9S0f17zWxJ8D+z+UeruUl328CzVTa48nOfeC6C3PY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iRSj+v+d8Gxv1P+lxSZ1mUYlFRLDK0zBvm0TmjWM0gBKTN7yMZVUxgs/f+v/GxsykF8K2fN56SF/ZAGeWZZY1QVLSDrXNNbr5V1DS6YKSUvxRnjkjfmctwXuTpIyk77QJ75q4Bukh0jnjm05YgBSPTKKmZo/Z1/SDgptOscmy9g= Received: by 10.70.39.11 with SMTP id m11mr1889080wxm.1180001555141; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.19 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0705240312x2b348120j58f3b6e1a94b04d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:12:35 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanization In-Reply-To: <200705232249.42243.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_77457_26707585.1180001555071" References: <2f91285f0705230545h102beb4q6548c42b932bf299@mail.gmail.com> <200705231300.36803.phma@phma.optus.nu> <2f91285f0705231102u5aafcee0s74b748088cd05ba7@mail.gmail.com> <200705232249.42243.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_77457_26707585.1180001555071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/24/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > Some people like to use the vowel that was dropped from the gismu as the > last > vowel of the fu'ivla, or repeat the previous vowel of the fu'ivla as the > last. The latter way would be a kind of vowel harmony, like in Finnish or Turkish. Interesting. When lojbanizing a Latin word ending in "-us" or "-um", those being the > second > declension ending, the "s" or "m" is dropped. The vowel may be left as "u" > or > changed to "o" (which is the corresponding ending in several Romance > languages). > I think it would've been convenient if {y} were permissible in fu'ivla since it's phonetically neutral among other vowels and therefore could be usefully applied to those differing declension sounds in natural languages. Vid ------=_Part_77457_26707585.1180001555071 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/24/07, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
Some people like to use the vowel that was dropped from the gismu as the last
vowel of the fu'ivla, or repeat the previous vowel of the fu'ivla as the
last.

The latter way would be a kind of vowel harmony, like in Finnish or Turkish. Interesting.

When lojbanizing a Latin word ending in "-us" or "-um", those being the second
declension ending, the "s" or "m" is dropped. The vowel may be left as "u" or
changed to "o" (which is the corresponding ending in several Romance
languages).

I think it would've been convenient if {y} were permissible in fu'ivla since it's phonetically neutral among other vowels and therefore could be usefully applied to those differing declension sounds in natural languages.

Vid
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