From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 25 09:05:02 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrcHk-00036N-Mb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:01 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrcHe-00035p-FN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:00 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so247887ana for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z7ZXqz0QrFCwnbVEsWIuyiUb9EQn41/MP2UaQaQCkkQUp46IGW43FFNG/gWWUa/WKB1ct6auRLo9clTYy4BWJ7DktJk1lbfOvdBwA+mNK3GfftRwkReySQxWasnotEWeV0uRSO16iRcuESrAkf2ZkcHfdcRzCzu1PzQW7yahxrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ONly7hBwqjeEsCK0eu+On8Huxc4/K90mSRhTUxU6sMutb9CYGND32OmWpfEYW1299e8R6mk4mI1iwECRACw3nJ1mxEfoxauBp82Z9vDX5Ivfk1CQzkO3sGP3zcgYUlX2P9oHtKyo0A5INETxTJHWoOE7KGmGD8yNqs0clcVv3fE= Received: by 10.100.242.11 with SMTP id p11mr2841931anh.1180109082269; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560705250904t4416df97ya887583325d71ab8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:04:42 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: fanva In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705250608j580ad99bp7b89dccfb45022f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0705250608j580ad99bp7b89dccfb45022f2@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4668 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/25/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > 1) Is {ke ... ke'e} the best way to separate {gu'e ... gi ...} and {se > tcana}? It's correct, but if you wanted to avoid such heavy bracketing and make it more readable you might just say {tedykau je cemku'e se tcana}. > 2) Is {le fadni la'o gy ... gy} valid? You want {le fadni po'u la'o gy ... gy}, otherwise the second sumti will fill a different argument slot. > 3) Is {lei so'i ...} valid? Also, is the tanru structure {lei ... co ... ce > ... ce ...} valid? You could say {so'i ki'o ki'o} for "millions". I would use {jo'u} rather than {ce}, but the structure is correct. > 4) Is the usage of the connectives {joi} and {.a} in the last part fine? Those are fine. You want {no'u} rather than {noi}. {noi} requires a full bridi to follow. What is the final {ri}? It refers to {le gunma ke dikca paprysfe}, also you would need {le drata be ri} if you mean it to fill the x2 of drata. I don't think {ba'e} corresponds to anything in the English version. It's as if you said in English: "It is a _network_ of networks", with an emphasis on "network". You may want {pe'a} for the effect of the quotes in English, and fu'e-fu'o to extend its effect to the whole phrase, otherwise ba'e/pe'a only affect the following word. I'm not sure I understand what {ni'i} is doing there. I would suggest something like: {cu pe'a fu'e ciste fi lo ciste fu'o gi'e gunma lo so'i ki'o ki'o cmamau ciste co lanzu jo'u ckule jo'u kagni jo'u turni noi xe benji lo vrici datni jo'u terse'u no'u mu'a ...} mu'o mi'e xorxes