From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 27 08:59:53 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 27 May 2007 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsL9n-0008KY-NU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 08:59:49 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsL9T-0008KL-QR for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 08:59:43 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 78so1065666ugn for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iPb3ibY78e7U/i45gCN9JMEtoT+zZlbP9Fqw5VKW7QY0lbAjuVE1ZyOQsEwhYpXreoDEowqLsOZyNlcdVnu6v+28dJRLMVqJzzhHl1rOAIUNiKq9h0e/WM9GwbkLCrucTqhFAhCFFZrfFBBgbhFb2Q/nAT0VjrB7I79WIAGy5/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=owiZLsPkWQ4k7fc8AExkiCATVZ2x9S2JlTumoNjYxv+ze8ZNJZFGehZAq4i9Ht/HE4W17/rcf9m+wzyBpDWHtm2ekx5x+Qys9XC/2AZ5GWkFFUkTsjjJtYBTlXtt3mgAUHsuwZlFoE0Oza0neVuJ3Su2RF3FuoBfl0bahmgrlXQ= Received: by 10.78.151.3 with SMTP id y3mr678454hud.1180281565520; Sun, 27 May 2007 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.118.16 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2007 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:59:25 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary In-Reply-To: <1180044114.46560b52223fd@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1180044114.46560b52223fd@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4732 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Martin, Robin knows that. He was not referring to the 1300 root words. He was referring to the compound words. There are only about 8,000 defined words in the entire Lojban language right now. That's why he said it's premature to narrow down the dictionary to 10,000 when we only have 8,000 defined words. When you say the vocabulary of Lojban is too rich for a beginner, perhaps you are referring to the tens of millions of possible combinations which have not yet been explored by anyone? -Eppcott On 5/24/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Oh, no! This is not what I mean, Robin. > > I'm not worried about the root words, i.e. "gismu" and > "cmavo" (?). There seems to be consensus about these. And there > are only a few thousand of them, as you pointed out. This > should be relatively easy to learn. Well, some of them may > not even be in the 10000 word dictionary I have in mind. > Remember I want "everyday words". For instance, I think > that some of the gismu are a bit too general to be relevant > for everyday communication. > > I'm rather worried about the huge number of combinations > and derivations! This is where I think there is a lack > of consensus among speakers. Some of these combinations > are realy difficult to tell apart. And everybody seems > to have their own preferences. > > This is what is difficult to cope with for beginners. > > So it's not a questions of Lojban being too poot in vocabulary. > On the contrary, I think Lojban is too rich (at least for a > beginner)! > > Martin > > Selon Robin Lee Powell : > > > Saying "We should pare down all these conflicting possibilities to X > > simple ones instead" when we don't even *have* X conflicting > > possibilities to choose from seems rather premature. > > > > -Robin > > > > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:51:48PM +0200, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > Sorry, Robin. I don't see what you mean. > > > > > > Selon Robin Lee Powell : > > > > > > > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 06:35:04PM +0200, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > > > Maybe a standard "imposed" dictionary of (say 10000) common > > > > > everyday words could solve this dilemma? > > > > > > > > First would should *have* 10 thousand words at all, don't you think? > > > >