From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 29 14:09:00 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 29 May 2007 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht8w7-0004At-UN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:09:00 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht8vh-0004AN-3s for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:08:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 6124 invoked by uid 503); 29 May 2007 21:05:24 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 29 May 2007 21:05:24 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail236.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 May 2007 21:05:24 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 May 2007 21:08:12 -0000 Received: from 219.45-225-89.dsl.completel.net (219.45-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.45.219]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:08:12 +0200 Message-ID: <1180472892.465c963cdf4ed@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:08:12 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: My First Lojban Words 1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.45.219 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4777 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon Vid Sintef : > On 5/29/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > > > Learning words from dictionaries should actually be effective because > > that > > > is what gives you mostly reliable definitions and exemplary usages. > > > > If you have a good dictionary at hand, yes. But not for > > beginners, I think. > > > Martin, > did you mean a good dictionary is *not* for beginners? > Reliable definitions, exemplary usages... they aren't also for beginners? I meant that learning vocab from dictionaries is not very efficient (for beginners). Just looking up a new word in a dictionary doesn't mean that you have learnt it. I think you also have to say it, write it, use it, search for it, recognize it, repeat it, hear it, combine it with others, spell it, etc. It's these activities that make you "learn" a new word. It's the number of encounters and the variety and "attractiveness" of activities that counts. Well, you can think of "looking up a word in a dictionary" as an activity, too. But just doing this is not very efficient, I believe. Actually, for most people this is quite dull, I'm afraid.