From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 31 12:46:43 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 31 May 2007 12:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtqbZ-0008PW-TV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:46:43 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtqbQ-0008J2-9z for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:46:40 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so118917ana for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:46:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WooMgQdQGzlyY5YM90uvU+JkjQMl7fdnp0unbeCNUXiR9pbr0SDWFmtGbQvj8+Q1BWPjKmoM9SFDQo8z7jO0vMF6VPUE/gE6NMJaXJSY0rRl3apzH5vqL/vNnLXcRvL+RpA+Oie4l89pIt32Y4Uec9LGI64UIq/56gxD3LQML8U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qpc3BfL3Cj2PhePppbb+7DRlwIL29ke1kPJlYPFRmWMWaqN3ajNsNGK63AkPuH2gmp+OxmpRtfVgnamdW31PxU6CRK6MnGyCOonIlrfmrK4kPbAM+GMb34q4sPiRIiOkuk7EYhpbMIgR4hKoDNdBFPtkhrc/5nBFsgYfYuztwD4= Received: by 10.100.251.9 with SMTP id y9mr602671anh.1180640789639; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560705311246q3de23d80vfdb4096f2540858d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:46:29 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770705311208n636478fcsac41783414294254@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <23dc8c770705311208n636478fcsac41783414294254@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4793 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/31/07, Karl Naylor wrote: > > la melpelkre .e le ci cribe You may also want to compare with > ni'oni'o puzuvuku la melpelkre cmalu nixli Missing {cu}? > .i la melpelkre goi ko'a cadzu mo'i pa'o le tricu cicfoi How would that differ from {ko'a cadzu pa'o le tricu cicfoi} {mo'i} seems to me to be either redundant, since {cadzu} already implies movement, or wrong, because it would seem to say that the walking event itself is in movement. {mo'i pa'o} characterizes the whole event, not just ko'a. (This raises the question of what {mo'i} is for, but I don't have a good answer yet.) > .i ko'a citka piso'u lei mavdja pe le pamoi tansi noi barda .i .oi ra > glare bancu > .i ko'a citka piso'u lei mavdja pe le remoi tansi noi mlibra .i .oi > ra lenku bancu {dukse} is probably better than {bancu} in those. > .i ko'a vreta le pamoi ckana noi barda .i .oi ri sligu bancu > .i ko'a vreta le remoi ckana noi mlibra .i .oi ri ranti bancu The opposite of {ranti} is {jdari}. > .i la melpelkre sipna {cu} > .i le pamoi cribe noi patfu cu cusku lu .ue da pu citka lei mi mavdja li'u > .i le remoi cribe noi mamta cu cusku lu .i da pu citka lei mi mavdja li'u {pu ca'o citka} or {pu citka pi so'u ...} would make things clearer. Without {ca'o} or {pi su'o} I read them as completed events. mu'o mi'e xorxes