From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 31 16:24:19 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Htu09-0003p1-VE for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:18 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Htu06-0003ou-Kg for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:17 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so142302ana for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T/T0HX94DxC2nEYmDW7+BeEuoH4awFmNXr+Gx8PjgrpoQRZIZ6m9gO4GGksTtHXPkilxp6nVkdZfIuQjTPBbwzchMAJDZ1GcgOTw0WsUiGAjcnx3dYqgSaeHS5DixD2wAwk6BfuJUjjh/IVAEWPX5i3IuTsDzyj7a7FPX4CwaSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pKSQfaolBPKktqVgtxsTFmkQooTBKE/nerb52ai/bv5XQo+nFMK5eddgAxpTKvccvBU7FL/5GvnJkpHMqGnLwT3aTg16eeGfjHLO1ZcM5Tva5Pcy77dPCQ5b/ASlzJ2HpJE8K8KTxPZb/WKE+D4Dxmxy5wvSuKGG0v/1ei+repU= Received: by 10.100.95.19 with SMTP id s19mr678340anb.1180653852282; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.92.6 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23dc8c770705311624we66503fs3837298e2874cb06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:24:12 +0000 From: "Karl Naylor" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe In-Reply-To: <925d17560705311246q3de23d80vfdb4096f2540858d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <23dc8c770705311208n636478fcsac41783414294254@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560705311246q3de23d80vfdb4096f2540858d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4795 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: karl.org@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 31/05/07, Jorge Llambías wrote: > You may also want to compare with > Thanks, it's an interesting read. > > ni'oni'o puzuvuku la melpelkre cmalu nixli > Missing {cu}? Ah yes, I forgot that {la} could swallow more than one word. > > .i la melpelkre goi ko'a cadzu mo'i pa'o le tricu cicfoi > {mo'i} seems to me to be either redundant, since {cadzu} > already implies movement, or wrong, because it would seem to > say that the walking event itself is in movement. {mo'i pa'o} > characterizes the whole event, not just ko'a. By similar reasoning I decided that {mo'i} must be necessary, since the path the event moves along is transfixing the forest. That is, the event of walking is moving because the walking-agent (which happens to be ko'a) is moving. I dunno. > > .i ko'a citka piso'u lei mavdja pe le pamoi tansi noi barda .i .oi ra > > glare bancu > {dukse} is probably better than {bancu} in those. OK. I wasn't sure if {dukse} was for excesses of material things only, the gimste definition seemed to imply that. I'll use {dukse} since you've confirmed it's OK :) > The opposite of {ranti} is {jdari}. Excellent, was thinking there must be something better than {sligu}. > > .i le pamoi cribe noi patfu cu cusku lu .ue da pu citka lei mi mavdja li'u > > .i le remoi cribe noi mamta cu cusku lu .i da pu citka lei mi mavdja li'u > {pu ca'o citka} or {pu citka pi so'u ...} would make things clearer. > Without {ca'o} or {pi su'o} I read them as completed events. I prefer {pu ca'o citka}; if I use {pi so'u} then verba cribe can't truthfully repeat his parents' exact words, which repetition is something I liked from the original :) ki'e .xorxes.