From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 01 05:46:58 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu6Wv-000455-Gs for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:46:58 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu6Ws-00044w-Rl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:46:57 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so181608ana for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NKqIRR6FEnFhwltiX8/UhHc9I5290gu06mUGj/TQgEoDWhkKoukTJLQH5dgSl8cF96rXiQV92TRTcXV6CDEi8ZvqkWigtspzxNEL833Emimd3XklUb1O2NOIrlYjzUEoQWDDbFTRiFcrk2jQdIP0/HRgSrP00KxnhnJXPCVyH4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CFIPCi7Bt+c/nynBs2x7U0YP0QKa15P1A29xPSEi92zSTgejqhrtSBZZ7ZXcLnf7ipCZ/adGlEszh2DXl7i2sd3ve06Bh1WGWoaSoBquRoNIMar+I3fEGDWK4nxohpWsyYjcgQB3H6YK9X0rC4cBGtHSfm/JLHAU3Ey9qoDHqsA= Received: by 10.100.123.9 with SMTP id v9mr980998anc.1180702013283; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706010546n63e68459i7e8b1a8bca898d19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:46:53 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770705311624we66503fs3837298e2874cb06@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <23dc8c770705311208n636478fcsac41783414294254@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560705311246q3de23d80vfdb4096f2540858d@mail.gmail.com> <23dc8c770705311624we66503fs3837298e2874cb06@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4799 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/31/07, Karl Naylor wrote: > On 31/05/07, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > .i la melpelkre goi ko'a cadzu mo'i pa'o le tricu cicfoi > > {mo'i} seems to me to be either redundant, since {cadzu} > > already implies movement, or wrong, because it would seem to > > say that the walking event itself is in movement. {mo'i pa'o} > > characterizes the whole event, not just ko'a. > > By similar reasoning I decided that {mo'i} must be necessary, since > the path the event moves along is transfixing the forest. That is, > the event of walking is moving because the walking-agent (which > happens to be ko'a) is moving. I dunno. I may write a rant about {mo'i} and put it in the wiki one of these days. > Actually, it occurs to me that if the English definition in the gimste > is accurate, then {dukse} doesn't seem to work. {ra glare dukse} > would mean "it [the porridge] is a hot-kind-of-excess", presumably an > abbreviation of {ra dukse le ka glare}, "it is an excess of hotness". > But porridge is not heat, so it can't be an excess of heat. I would indeed say {ra dukse lo ka glare}, and I interpret {dukse} as "x1 is too much/excessive in property x2", i.e. in the same vein as {mutce}, {milxe}, etc. You're right that the definition as written does seem to suggest something else, though. mu'o mi'e xorxes