From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 01 06:55:58 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu7bh-0005RT-7C for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:55:58 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu7bb-0005RH-Nb for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:55:56 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-1295148 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:55:34 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007060109553415537 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:55:34 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:55:34 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D6D@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560706010607r7d756748he358f5a758b05f39@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe Thread-Index: AcekTn+m1xyqMNrlQ/ewA+lBCBl/swABRQzQ From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2007 13:55:34.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[868ACD00:01C7A454] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4803 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners > On 6/1/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] wrote: > > > {pu ca'o citka} or {pu citka pi so'u ...} would make things clearer. > > > Without {ca'o} or {pi su'o} I read them as completed events. > > > > Well, aren't they completed? She isn't eating the porridge any > > longer... > The eating was not completed in those cases, she stopped eating > the porridge before the event of her eating the porridge was complete. > {pu citka} could be {pu mo'u citka} or {pu ca'o citka}, but since in this > case it is important and relevant that {mo'u} is not the actual aspect, > I think making the {ca'o} explicit is useful to prevent the {mo'u} > reading. Another thought: How about the parents say, "da pu co'a citka le mi mavypesxu" (note I used "co'a" not "ca'o here" and Baby bear says, "da pu co'a citka le mi mavypesxu .ije i'enai mo'u go'i "?