From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 04 10:09:15 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvG3N-0005s7-Cj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:09:14 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvG3K-0005oA-6G for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:09:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 9568 invoked by uid 503); 4 Jun 2007 17:08:57 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 04 Jun 2007 17:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail235.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 17:08:57 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 17:09:02 -0000 Received: from 13.96-225-89.dsl.completel.net (13.96-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.96.13]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:09:02 +0200 Message-ID: <1180976942.4664472ea5c32@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:09:02 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mp3 files: can you help? References: <1180908797.46633cfd69599@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706040533g5191c817j73f009dec264e845@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770706040533g5191c817j73f009dec264e845@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.96.13 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4860 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon Karl Naylor : > On 03/06/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > (2b) Some of the speakers seem to pronounce diphthongs. > > In particular the female voice's "re", "vo" and > > "mu" sound a bit like diphthongs. Is this > > acceptable/reasonable for listening examples from > > which others would learn pronunciation? > > I thought that the female {re} sounded like {rei}, too. I'd be wary > of putting out audio materials that might get new speakers into the > habit of pronouncing {e} like {ei}. I agree. > Matt's own {re} sounded great to > me. > > Also re vowel length, I personally try to keep my {a} long to avoid > confusion with {y}, but maybe that's just a peculiarity of my accent > (ie. perhaps in other accents, a short {a} sounds nothing like {y}). Yes, let's not forget the sixth Lojban vowel "y". Actually, this one can be pronounced quite long, too. Martin