From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 07 04:35:35 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HwGH8-0004Dx-Df for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:35:34 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+/pqiKZlA0+Uxu/xUkpWDq1+5i7nAbC2g=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HwGH5-0004Dp-Rv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:35:34 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-2205374 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:35:06 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007060707182017855 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:18:20 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:18:20 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:18:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D8F@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <466A0DA5@webmail.bcpl.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) Thread-Index: AcenyQisjzLbcSugTx2Stpx22p/HZQBKkWMw From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 11:18:20.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DF7CE30:01C7A8F5] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4907 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Okay, from what I took away from Jorge, and three typo corrections, and a simplification of two of the pages, we now get: mu'i ma do zutse ne'i lo tanxe (bunny sitting in box) na'i go'i .i ti na tanxe (bunny sitting in racing car) tezu'e ma do cpana le va tanxe (bunny standing atop box) na'i go'i .i ti ba'e na tanxe (bunny atop mountain) mu'i ma do cecla renro lo djacu lo tanxe (bunny squirting box with hose) na'i go'i .i mi pu ba'e cusku le sedu'u ti na tanxe (bunny as firefighter) xu caku do dasni lo tanxe (bunny wearing box) na'i go'i .i ti na tanxe (bunny as robot) xu do ca'o sanli ne'i leva tanxe (bunny standing in box) na'i go'i .i ti ba'e ba'e ba'e ba'e na tanxe (bunny in crow's nest of pirate ship, basket of hot air balloon, howdah on elephant, and as tugboat captain) .o'o ri mo (bunny standing inside box with cut-out window) --- (bunny sitting atop box, thinking hard) ri me lemi ba'e na'e tanxe (bunny in rocket ship, blasting off) --gy -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of turnip Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:24 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) The following is a translation of Anotinette Portis' "Not a Box" (http://www.amazon.com/Not-Box-Antoinette-Portis/dp/0061123226/ref=pd_bb s_sr_1 /104-8101861-8524715?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181085233&sr=8-1), which demonstrates nicely different type of lojban negation. Since this cute children's book loses a lot without the illustrations, I have appended to each line a description of the drawing on that page. The protagonist is a little child bunny. mu'i ma do ne'i zutse lo tanxe (bunny sitting in box) na'i go'i .i ti na tanxe (bunny sitting in racing car) do zukte le zu'o cpana le va tanxe ku ma (bunny standing atop box) na'i go'i .i ti ba'e na tanxe (bunny atop mountain) mu'i ma do cecla rento lo djacu lo tanxe (bunny squirting box with hose) na'i go'i .i mi pu ba'e cusku le sedu'u ti na tanxe (bunny as firefighter) xu caku do dasni lo tanxe (bunny wearing box) na'i go'i .i ti na tanxe (bunny as robot) xu do ca'o ne'i sanli leva tanxe (bunny stading in box) na'i go'i .i ti ba'e ba'e ba'e ba'e na tanxe (bunny in crow's nest of pirate ship, basket of hot air balloon, howdah on elephant, and as tugboat captain) .o'o ti mo (bunny standing inside box with cut-out window) --- (bunny sitting atop box, thinking hard) ti ponse be fa mi ba'e na'e tanxe (bunny in rocket ship, blasting off) --gejyspa