From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jun 09 10:28:08 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hx4jP-0001pY-Qm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:28:08 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hx4jL-0001pB-0q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:28:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 19096 invoked by uid 503); 9 Jun 2007 17:27:44 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 09 Jun 2007 17:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2007 17:27:44 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2007 17:27:16 -0000 Received: from 63.95-225-89.dsl.completel.net (63.95-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.95.63]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:27:16 +0200 Message-ID: <1181410036.466ae2f4ed91c@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:27:16 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #97 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.95.63 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4916 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon David Cortesi : > The audio plays properly in Firefox on Mac OS X -- I think it uses a > Quicktime plug-in -- although it does go a new page, so that I need to click > the "back" button to return to the lesson page. Thanks for your feedback, David. You are the second person to experience this browser-goes-to-a-new-page phenomenon. I understand that this is distracting or even annoying. I'm not quite sure how to fix this... Are there any computer experts out there who have an idea? Can you configure browsers not to go to a new page but rather to open ANOTHER page for the plug-in that would stay low-profile in the background? Or maybe the XHTML code of the web page could be changed to avoid this? > The sound of {re} is not correct to my ear. It sounds like the vowel in > english ray/say/lay/day/may, which I would spell {rei} in lojban. You are right: there is a SLIGHT diphthong sound as in the English word "ray". I'll change this. > I thought the correct sound was the vowel in english let/met/set/get? > (Which, admittedly, is not normally said without a terminal consonant and > may seem awkward to beginners.) We've discussed vowel sound here in some detail. Although I find it rather strange and unsatisfying, most people here don't seem to worry much about phonetics. I've been told that: (1) vowel sound doesn't matter much as long as vowels can be distinguished phonetically. (2) "the" correct Lojban pronunciation does not exist. That is why I have decided to pronounce the Lojban "e" like the German "egal" or the French "ete". And not like the English "let". I believe this way the Loyban vowels "e" and "y" are easier to tell apart. And there is another problem: most people here are beginners and they don't really know how to pronounce the words. And it is difficult for me to know who is an experienced Lojban speaker and who is not. I would very much appreciate the view of an experienced speaker about the sound of the vowel "e". Martin