From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 12 07:10:24 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hy74c-00045e-3K for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:20 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hy74S-00045O-D7 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:15 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so484596ana for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vk3dj5p4AbMWl/S2l6SSQwGZiMwGgcwul5Nee75r3quNA1YAu5CFEmlwB8uio9WMg6sCXlZOAjWNvo3WsCtSzn3E5SIfoqX7oGBhJYRKEC+zw2HgX+81xere5AWT0ILCixYG1rJAWItqG3zTtvbPRSL9vCHcAD0TGTdS27wQeiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XYrEapa+Onbpgd+QRzqd3FEtg/m/badfbOBzFrOzEuf1H6RTX32R8O4OErIVe8D24mJ0NPj78ghZJA4v1V5zdMh004Tw+3RB8Jobxw2vGQqwBMJwBt0fTfTwlY5PsTByUSAqdS9BJrKYm9o0lE5SGh5KuJZUzHbRiB5y63YaFBY= Received: by 10.100.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr4000457ani.1181657403924; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706120710v68af9d39q90a807b296a301da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:10:03 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: se gugde? In-Reply-To: <262436.26901.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <262436.26901.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4941 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/12/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > So could these tanru be now turned into lujvo? Something like > {flaxa'u} for legal resident, and {flaselgu'e} for citizen? Yes, those are valid lujvo. I can understand the difference between {xabju}, the relationship between a person and the place where the person actually lives, and {flaxa'u}, the abstract relationship between a person and the place where some law says they live, which may or may not be where they actually live. But in the case of {selgu'e}, I'm not sure what {flalu} adds: what territory belongs to what country and what person belongs to what country are legal conventions to begin with. mu'o mi'e xorxes