From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 15 11:47:07 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzGp8-0001Yw-OQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:47:07 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzGp3-0001Yg-0S for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:47:06 -0700 Received: (qmail 11886 invoked by uid 503); 15 Jun 2007 18:47:19 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 15 Jun 2007 18:47:19 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail18.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 18:47:19 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from 222.9-225-89.dsl.completel.net (222.9-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.9.222]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:46:52 +0200 Message-ID: <1181933212.4672de9ccc88e@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:46:52 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nice to meet you References: <1181846668.46718c8cd54da@ssl0.ovh.net> <12d58c160706141203u6082ccadgb07580efbc8892c8@mail.gmail.com> <1181880906.4672124ad3e2b@ssl0.ovh.net> <06F3B71D-34DC-45E5-9124-EF5C7B36DE19@umich.edu> <1181925981.4672c25d55fb3@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151001o30b61e51u22024d1b34c62096@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770706151001o30b61e51u22024d1b34c62096@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.9.222 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4968 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon Karl Naylor : > On 15/06/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > > I think it's worth pointing out that {.oinai ro'a} and {.oi nai > > > ro'a}, and even {.oinairo'a} are exactly the same. Since they're > > What about the stress rule "For words consisting of two or > > more syllables: stress the last but one syllable." Doesn't > > it apply here as anywhere else? > > 1) the stress rule only applies to brivla as far as I know. Hi Karl. This is not my understanding of the rule. > However I > *think* it's forbidden to stress a syllable immediately preceding a > mandatorily-stressed syllable, eg. you may say {so'u GERku} or {SO'u > GERku}, The latter is okay, the former vioates the rule (as I understand it, i.e. you *must* stress the last but one syllable). > but not {so'U GERku}. {so'U} violates the rule (since {u} is the last syllable of a two-syllable word). > If it's not forbidden, it's at least > bad practice. Can anyone clarify? Yes, I would appreciate that, too. > 2) dropping the spaces between cmavo does not turn two (or more) words > into one. {.oinairo'a} is three words; What is the meaning of spaces then. I thought space are used to seperate words??? There is an exception with names, though. Because there, seperation is achieved by points rather than by spaces. Example: {bil.geits.} > you can tell because there are > no consonant pairs. My understanding is: syllables can have a fairly large number of cosonants. There may be a group of consonants both before and after the vowel/diphthong. For instance, the name {ctrykts.} is okay. It has only one syllable. Again, could somebody clarify, please? Martin