From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 15 12:47:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzHm1-0002zP-6a for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:57 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzHly-0002yw-5C for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:56 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so263649ana for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ktEq/GPDG2niorQJqjRh2WKbEb6YufTXdxRKtcVheW68F4V9uUGd68IRMbdZuf3+qp8i9GLaRb34rb55grwu5kWDDQvLDp95gu9k8bOE4tcdzjKr0W45IXIejEr8wMUF7WshkxfZ9WnCdhNgr+OrYQ5eo/YwdomU10zoHXpDBec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lr1stzBJQUsPG9LeBk01TsVM+XoH3GR1S67in5JOqQY/1uOaQLa3IA1TkZsoYl78C66CBBmtUlu4MnIMIVEg29jizVZMZDcPy3QYdQJO9JPSErmMTRIYvcJMmczZ4wUqfK1hTd0/w2Lo35ulpSQThGICQECPrGT4zBlJ+8GGAJs= Received: by 10.100.121.12 with SMTP id t12mr2026829anc.1181936872210; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706151247t7a1769aauf85e98e44e4e9c41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:47:52 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nice to meet you In-Reply-To: <1181933212.4672de9ccc88e@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1181846668.46718c8cd54da@ssl0.ovh.net> <12d58c160706141203u6082ccadgb07580efbc8892c8@mail.gmail.com> <1181880906.4672124ad3e2b@ssl0.ovh.net> <06F3B71D-34DC-45E5-9124-EF5C7B36DE19@umich.edu> <1181925981.4672c25d55fb3@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151001o30b61e51u22024d1b34c62096@mail.gmail.com> <1181933212.4672de9ccc88e@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4971 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/15/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > What is the meaning of spaces then. I thought space are used to > seperate words??? Spaces CAN be used to separate words, but they are not required. The only spaces that are obligatory are right after a brivla, because they indicate (indirectly) where to put the stress. If brivla stress is indicated by other means, the space is not obligatory. > There is an exception with names, though. Because > there, seperation is achieved by points rather than by spaces. > Example: {bil.geits.} The dots indicate obligatory pauses. Pauses are always allowed between words and never allowed in the middle of a word. In general, pauses are not necessary between words, that's why when they are obligatory they are marked with a dot. > My understanding is: syllables can have a fairly large number of cosonants. Yes, they can. (The exact details have not been fully defined yet.) But what Karl pointed out is correct: if there is no consonant cluster, and the string ends in a vowel, you know that it consists only of cmavo. A brivla must always have at least one consonant cluster (for this purpose "y" does not count as breaking a cluster.). mu'o mi'e xorxes