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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Logical connectives
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:05:29 -0400
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On Sunday 17 June 2007 03:10, Daniel Goetzmann wrote:
> coi rodo
>
> I'm wondering about the meaning of bridi that have eks in more than one
> place. Consider the following bridi:
>
> (1) la alis e la djan pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi
>
> Section 14.6 of the refgram tells me that they can be "transformed into a
> logical connection between sentences that expresses the same truth
> function". The question is, which of the eks has to be transformed into an
> ijek first? So far, there seem to be two possible transformations that
> express different truth functions:
>
> (2) la alis pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi .ije la djan pinxe loi tcati a loi
> ckafi
>
> (3) la alis e la djan pinxe loi tcati .ija la alis e la djan pinxe loi
> ckafi
>
> Assume that Alice drinks tea and John drinks coffee. Then (2) is true but
> (3) is false. So at most one of the transformations can be valid. Which one
> is it?

(2) is correct. You transform them from left to right, just as with 
quantifiers.

Pierre