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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: music genres
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On Sunday 17 June 2007 06:49, Vid Sintef wrote:
> When listing such genres on e.g. uikipedias within the category {zgike}, do
> we still have to use the rafsi of {zgike} at the beginning of every term
> (fu'ivla), which might look verbose?

If the word can be turned into a type-4 fu'ivla without too much contortion, 
you don't; but if the type-4 could be confused with something else, you 
should. I don't know much about musical styles, so here are some examples 
from biology:

Laksefisker, torskefisker. The salmon is {salmone}, since that's a valid 
type-4 and unlikely to be confused with anything nearly as common. The cod is 
{finprgado} (or {fiprgado}). (I've considered {morxua} but think {finprgado} 
is better.) The acerola (Malpighia glabra, a fruit also called Barbados 
cherry or Amazon cherry, but unrelated to the cherry) could be {malpigi}, but 
there's also an organ in insects called a Malpighian tubule, so I decided 
they should be distinguished as {rutrmalpigi} and {ragrmalpigi}.

> What about "drum&bass" or "house" or "synth pop" or "country" or "ballad",
> which seem translatable into Lojban without necessarily having recourse to
> fu'ivla? Personally I don't fancy a list consisting of both words which
> begin with {zgik-} and those which do not while both of them essentially
> belong to the same category {zgike}; it'd look as though some terms are
> more "music-related" than others within that category.

Is a tilefish more fish-related than a trout?

"Drum&bass" is a good choice for not using fu'ivla, but "house" is not. 
{zdani} includes not only human houses, but also bird nests, badger setts, 
and beehives (but not bonobo nests, which are {ckana}). If a birdwatcher 
unfamiliar with house music hears the term {zdazgi}, he may think of songs 
birds sing at home.

Pierre