From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 05:45:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Gbd-0005ZK-Tp for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:45:18 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Gbb-0005Z1-55 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:45:17 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-134559 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:45:06 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007061808450603666 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:45:06 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:45:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B1A6.7F2D5CEB" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: music genres Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:45:05 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DC9@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706170349x36ebd434vc1013ce044b2319a@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: music genres Thread-Index: Acew0lZVVjKokhzXT++JqPg88oWntgA0+rww From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2007 12:45:06.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F5C4770:01C7B1A6] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5006 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B1A6.7F2D5CEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although it wasn't implicit in your question or the subsequent answer, a reminder to the beginners out there that you can't remove the "zgikn-" from zgiknroko/zgiknroke because the remainder would break down into cmavo. =20 --gejyspa =20 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Vid Sintef Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:49 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: music genres =20 When listing such genres on e.g. uikipedias within the category {zgike}, do we still have to use the rafsi of {zgike} at the beginning of every term (fu'ivla), which might look verbose? What about "drum&bass" or "house" or "synth pop" or "country" or "ballad", which seem translatable into Lojban without necessarily having recourse to fu'ivla? Personally I don't fancy a list consisting of both words which begin with {zgik-} and those which do not while both of them essentially belong to the same category {zgike}; it'd look as though some terms are more "music-related" than others within that category.=20 Vid On 6/17/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: On Saturday 16 June 2007 16:28, Vid Sintef wrote: > I'm thinking about the terms for the music genres. How would you express=20 > "rock", for example, without lapsing into malglico? {zgiknroke} or {zgiknroko} (there has been a dispute over which form is better; they're both good to me). Even in English we can't talk about foreign=20 music genres without using fu'ivla. I did, though, invent a lujvo for "banjo" at jbonunsla: {damryjgita}. Pierre =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B1A6.7F2D5CEB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  Although it wasn't implicit = in your question or the subsequent answer, a reminder to the beginners out there = that you can't remove the "zgikn-" from zgiknroko/zgiknroke because = the remainder would break down into cmavo.

 

           = ;     --gejyspa

 

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Vid Sintef
Sent: Sunday, June 17, = 2007 6:49 AM
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: = [lojban-beginners] Re: music genres

 

When listing = such genres on e.g. uikipedias within the category {zgike}, do we still have to use = the rafsi of {zgike} at the beginning of every term (fu'ivla), which might = look verbose?

What about "drum&bass" or "house" or "synth pop" or "country" or "ballad", which seem = translatable into Lojban without necessarily having recourse to fu'ivla? Personally I = don't fancy a list consisting of both words which begin with {zgik-} and those = which do not while both of them essentially belong to the same category = {zgike}; it'd look as though some terms are more "music-related" than others = within that category.

Vid

On 6/17/07, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu > wrote:

On Saturday 16 = June 2007 16:28, Vid Sintef wrote:
> I'm thinking about the terms for the music genres. How would you = express
> "rock", for example, without lapsing into malglico?

{zgiknroke} or {zgiknroko} (there has been a dispute over which form = is
better; they're both good to me). Even in English we can't talk about = foreign
music genres without using fu'ivla.

I did, though, invent a lujvo for "banjo" at jbonunsla: = {damryjgita}.

Pierre


 

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