From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 12:57:59 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0NMM-00047D-K0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:59 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.225]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0NMJ-000475-PQ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:58 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 76so1118983wra for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VCG8f1pHQAS0H3znmQyPpf8+iCv/z4FKP66LMiJR9mRDb2S7r9CFDNMN+Y5R/klLvTQyPMwACaZLhjS30U0bGgq6z0Rk1Vo+XV26V/6vxHUR93s0Z2UMKYXyyJFi4sR+EsChSfFN7tsFumzV2B+T9qppTdXIvcdxXMi4Na2m3Qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B3T+Ufll5diVhLaGm0DKAtIULJM2dOa/Tqizy+BQeR+BV8YuRIlvYxkjM9aFws0drDXbR6XRm1oz9lL7N7zmUPkforvBLAH/MPRVkZYvGQKOwbhi8Qjt1wOP5JIIB5xnzVG1EFNpi05OfKLigqAwRomyQBCEUlofDi/ef2MGK/I= Received: by 10.100.8.18 with SMTP id 18mr3780563anh.1182196674143; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706181257i292ad6ecw828cf4df15557d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:57:54 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant doubling? In-Reply-To: <1182195346.4676de92bf8cb@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182195346.4676de92bf8cb@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5031 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/18/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Thanks for all that information, Jorge. Especially > for the link to the reference grammar ;-) je'e (For some reason, it is not very easy to find unless you already know it's there.) > With respect to consonant clusters, Lojban seems > to be rather complicated (and somewhat arbitrary). Yes. > Fortunately, beginners don't really need to know > all this. In most cases... It's not something you have to worry too much about until you start creating your own lujvo/fu'ivla/cmevla. > I can only think of one thing beginners may want > to do and may need "a bigger picture" for: > Lojbanizing their own name! This can be quite > difficult, I think. Maybe, it's a good idea not > to tell beginners that something like Lojbanizing > of names exists. It's not as if you can keep it a secret! :) Every language makes some adaptation of foreign words to its own phonology, so Lojban is not special in this regard. mu'o mi'e xorxes