From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 13:34:35 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Nvm-00051J-Ro for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:35 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Nvj-000511-6U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:34 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so428684ana for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gaKHgkk1p3nO6140E4YcXPhdCD+8HDmzueYiLz0khwDThvH8qLSTfYAAcyiN92zacDm+rVBE+4TUWO9BTxjXAq3dIsMdm/WpY1FLSILxKz+ogOJWN2NK7Zpj2SqLBbYOi2y21QPvF7XH7JvkU00EDQlZhUSUtIkk/s3BUo7OqWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T394zluUlzme6b0ZnBp/tAubR+XnpksODek+5OFRJHMtY4EWfgRX7/hDhrgLUqp58wEjAuwB6Sf9cDXSqsw/PjRgDdgQ8crp2kV9jPfNLETKYg8mF/hKAbsM/zaek8/lYnsWqNQU1GIzG5m0kycbxIUCEDYfC9z6qVtay01eDVI= Received: by 10.100.3.20 with SMTP id 20mr3783856anc.1182198869272; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706181334p6247bd20vc6dd0750ec2efc4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:34:29 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la In-Reply-To: <1182197650.4676e792850d9@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182197650.4676e792850d9@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/18/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Hi again, > > Consider the following sentences: > > {mi'e klaus.} {mi'e pat.} {mi'e la klaus} and {mi'e la pat} are valid too. > on the one hand and > > {la pat. melbi .i la klaus. prami la pat.} > > on the other. > > On the one hand you have the names {klaus.} > and {pat.}. Then you have the people {la klaus.} > and {la pat.}. The names are actually {zo klaus} and {zo pat}. {klaus} and {pat} are somewhat like brivla. You can say {le pondo}, or {coi pendo}, but if you want to talk about the word it's {zo pendo}. > At least this is my understanding > of the presence of {la} in the second set of > example sentences. > > Why can't Lojban just identify people with > their names (as all other languages seem to do)? Some languages do use articles with names. > {la} seems to be an unnecessary complication. Why > can't we just say {pat. melbi .i klaus. prami pat.}? I would actually prefer to go the other way and make cmevla have the exact same grammar of brivla, rather than just a very similar one. mu'o mi'e xorxes