From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 13:40:33 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0O1Z-0005D7-2k for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:40:33 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0O1W-0005Cx-3C for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:40:32 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so429092ana for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c7nnotnAnTWcHibfsyOUBlMfVXs823CayYPUh7VgBZDLEDju6CwCWjcdgk4a7AtYk8S2/SzEb4piBk2TEUYu6Zofxphcl3oF9ttSED98YJGQCpE0AHILqZNF8iNtEwH86mXEFuW9i/TOshGjuxypEeCMMK+icp4gEpXNdCfJ0VM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R9dAvxw2UH6pPN2G2eO0fgattFZtTjsF7Oe/bXjqjI6SHJNrygQpKUERBC6vSaqBT9pvfTAnY1hFzftX5tqLvcuCq0EzaoYDs9sqJXiajs/Dq04NaIYYnMKsR6AdQwaH41PrtGeOH99ZUrpTVwFsybtcSeDAeNhUB+bHQfHoYBw= Received: by 10.100.173.19 with SMTP id v19mr3817125ane.1182199228360; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706181340y5b36de4en3bcded6701b05ef6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:40:28 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant doubling? In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706181331k6fcdc0d2vd969ceba51b7aad7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182179984.4676a290aa1b5@ssl0.ovh.net> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DCE@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <925d17560706180835w6b83c04fl2a2b6eb61f45c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <1182187693.4676c0add509b@ssl0.ovh.net> <2f91285f0706181331k6fcdc0d2vd969ceba51b7aad7@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5035 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/18/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > The mere fact that some people can deal with it without problem just won't > help those who can't. I think Lojban is not meant to segregate/alienate > people of particular linguistic backgrounds. And that is one of the > differences between Lojban and, say, Esperanto. Esperanto is meant to segregate/alienate people of particular linguistic backgrouinds? In fact, the phonology system of Esperanto is pretty similar to that of Lojban. They have practically the exact same phoneme set: the only difference is that Esperanto doesn't have {y}, and it considers {dj}, {ts} and {tc} single phonemes. I'm not completely certain, but I think Lojban's phoneme set was copied from Esperanto. As for clusters, Espeanto does allow some things that Lojban doesn't, but for the most part it is Lojban that allows the most monstruous clusters. mu'o mi'e xorxes