From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 24 12:51:36 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I2Y7T-000846-Hk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:51:36 -0700 Received: from web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.86]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I2Y7P-00083z-WA for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:51:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 61413 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2007 19:51:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KOPmOnBe5A6nHROsk213NW44zxLUt85Smvap8SAoyxcqu99wwe5DCGTSOVYnTtOWs2qt062d3CQxKzwAO3F7XAMbvo5vyK1xJYAQA9QsO64H5I2f2rswtYIdbMnum+ZXKMLmbgq0HeMrtF7xPz/VjQzIuaHW5FXmziSTL7VsnpM=; X-YMail-OSG: UvctQOkVM1nAqPPG4faz5mv5slNLXPIKShe1JTk7LPYnXhL4zsJSY0NOGdwaIMdu_Dz.rbbjlKDvSgU.5TKqmCIQXavLlsF0WjrPQZzqZBoYJRtgB64SnK5HGBpJvg-- Received: from [75.0.145.177] by web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:51:25 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: More phonology: voiced/unvoiced and fricative/fricative To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <1182708311.467eb257965af@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1811280772-1182714685=:59719" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <558186.59719.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 5135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1811280772-1182714685=:59719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: Selon Jorge Llamb�as : > On 6/24/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > > For instance why are words like {c}, {f}, {pst}, {m} > > {kj}, {pc} or {gr} fobidden in Lojban? > > {kj} is forbidden because it is a unvoiced-voiced pair. The others > are not forbidden, they are all valid cmevla. In my understanding all these words are not {cmevla} because the period at the end is missing. Yes, if you look at it like that, those words are illegal because every Lojban word must end in a vowel or a period ... but the equivalent words plus periods are apparently valid. However, before Xorxes mentioned it, I had never been aware that Lojban allows vocalic consonants other than {r}, {l}, and {n}. I wonder if extreme examples such as {ptkts} (a Nuxálk word mentioned in Wikipedia) would be accepted as avalid cmevla. mi'e .sen. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. --0-1811280772-1182714685=:59719 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit m.kornig@sondal.net wrote:
Selon Jorge Llamb�as :

> On 6/24/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote:
> >
> > For instance why are words like {c}, {f}, {pst}, {m}
> > {kj}, {pc} or {gr} fobidden in Lojban?
>
> {kj} is forbidden because it is a unvoiced-voiced pair. The others
> are not forbidden, they are all valid cmevla.

In my understanding all these words are not {cmevla} because
the period at the end is missing.
Yes, if you look at it like that, those words are illegal because every Lojban word must end in a vowel or a period ... but the equivalent words plus periods are apparently valid. However, before Xorxes mentioned it, I had never been aware that Lojban allows vocalic consonants other than {r}, {l}, and {n}. I wonder if extreme examples such as {ptkts} (a Nuxálk word mentioned in Wikipedia) would be accepted as avalid cmevla.

mi'e .sen.

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