From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 25 21:51:06 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3317-0007AH-TP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:51:06 -0700 Received: from dsl081-066-183.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.66.183] helo=pinfu.digitalkingdom.org ident=Debian-exim) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I32Uy-0004uw-4U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:17:54 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by pinfu.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I2nUc-0000JE-Bj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:16:30 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-1022341 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:21:06 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007062508210608563 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:21:06 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:21:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: More phonology: voiced/unvoiced and fricative/fricative Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:21:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E03@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1182681340.467e48fc934c6@ssl0.ovh.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: More phonology: voiced/unvoiced and fricative/fricative Thread-Index: Ace2S8plgxsf39nKSkyTdgNtvNm63QA0fheQ From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2007 12:21:06.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E3282E0:01C7B723] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Martin: -----Original Message----- >> Now there's a whole bunch of xr words: >> >> xrabo Arabic >> xrani injure >> xriso Christian >> xruba buckwheat >> xruki turkey >> xrula flower >> xruti return > I find {xr} hard to pronounce (even though I've a German > palate, too). I dunno. I find it rather easy, but then I had a moderate exposure to Hebrew and Yiddish in my formative years, in addition to my native English (Spanish wasn't until later, ca. age 12-16). I tend to pronounce the combination as (I think, I'm no phonologist) a voiceless uvular fricative (which is probably not a technically legal pronunciation of the lojbanic x) transforming to a alveolar trill. You could always add a buffer sound if you find it too difficult, of course. --gejyspa