From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 25 22:12:22 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I33Lh-0000PR-6a for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:12:22 -0700 Received: from web56414.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.93]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I33Ld-0000O4-5X for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:12:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 88184 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 05:12:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=174kO2Q/6OqKwPGGTWmJnO5+UosTVTAS4zrI5dLWph8IvK6yLmJNfnNPOB+CEGMDr/bcYP/8LBZFTxzZNzb7vwdfaytizgZbJw+O5odezZJWdYalq5j7uNgMQCOClNoJPooXi59eK8Zqg9KsMu1xa/pPwf7YHgqoLs9Cu2p673o=; X-YMail-OSG: ed5g39gVM1n_ScHK0P1bxsZpad0wXogDoFYw4uIr6PR5FLi4Znv4G4LUtnrXxDOUj5Z_Az6xa1hVNqUtfYcstyMbr7IWYkT1PBys7Z3zh8qEuaG92zjf1inAopXd_xuam3cBbGhaHGf_Oa48.RE4KrIDRA-- Received: from [75.0.145.177] by web56414.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:12:10 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <1182798606.4680130e60899@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-640595115-1182834730=:85929" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <497987.85929.qm@web56414.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: 9 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-640595115-1182834730=:85929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: Hi, Is there a difference in meaning between the two sentences {mi'e tim.} and {tim. cmene mi}? Are they both correct? Both used? Say you are with your friend and want to give her name as well. I guess this would be something like {djein. .e tim. cmene mi}? Can you do this with {mi'e}, too, maybe straight forward {mi'e djein. .e tim.}? "What's your name?" would be {ma cmene do}. Again the question: can you ask about someone's name using {mi'e}, too? Martin Interesting questions. {tim. cmene mi} is not grammatically correct because there is no article preceding {.tim.}, but {zo .tim. cmene mi} is the same assertion as {mi'e .tim.}. In terms of emphasis, one might suppose that {zo .tim. cmene mi} is closer to "Tim is my name", rather than "I'm Tim". The word {mi'e} implies the subject {mi}, so it cannot be used to give the names of other people. I'm not completely sure whether {mi'e .djein. .e .tim.} is correct, but I suspect not, since the equivalent {mi se cmene zo .djein. .e .tim.} (I guess the equivalent could be {mi se cmene lu .djein. .e .tim. li'u}, which is not grammatically wrong but doesn't mean what you want). {ma cmene do} is indeed how you would say "What is your name?", but, along the same lines of what I said previously, {mi'e} cannot be used to talk about someone else's name. You could say {mi'e ma}, though, which would mean "What's my name?" mu'o mi'e .sen. --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-640595115-1182834730=:85929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

m.kornig@sondal.net wrote:
Hi,

Is there a difference in meaning between
the two sentences {mi'e tim.} and {tim.
cmene mi}? Are they both correct? Both
used?

Say you are with your friend and want
to give her name as well. I guess this
would be something like {djein. .e tim.
cmene mi}? Can you do this with {mi'e},
too, maybe straight forward {mi'e djein.
.e tim.}?

"What's your name?" would be {ma cmene
do}. Again the question: can you ask
about someone's name using {mi'e}, too?

Martin
Interesting questions. {tim. cmene mi} is not grammatically correct because there is no article preceding {.tim.}, but {zo .tim. cmene mi} is the same assertion as {mi'e .tim.}. In terms of emphasis, one might suppose that {zo .tim. cmene mi} is closer to "Tim is my name", rather than "I'm Tim".

The word {mi'e} implies the subject {mi}, so it cannot be used to give the names of other people. I'm not completely sure whether {mi'e .djein. .e .tim.} is correct, but I suspect not, since the equivalent {mi se cmene zo .djein. .e .tim.} (I guess the equivalent could be {mi se cmene lu .djein. .e .tim. li'u}, which is not grammatically wrong but doesn't mean what you want).

{ma cmene do} is indeed how you would say "What is your name?", but, along the same lines of what I said previously, {mi'e} cannot be used to talk about someone else's name. You could say {mi'e ma}, though, which would mean "What's my name?"

mu'o mi'e .sen.

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