From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 26 13:16:13 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3HSL-0008Ca-4l for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:16:12 -0700 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3HSH-0008CP-0S for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:16:07 -0700 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (hive.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.14]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id l5QKFu6U014891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QKFuT5004680; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l5QKFtqY004677; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... In-Reply-To: <1182888260.46817144bc735@ssl0.ovh.net> Message-ID: References: <1182798606.4680130e60899@ssl0.ovh.net> <200706260034.11084.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1182888260.46817144bc735@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Selon Pierre Abbat : > > > > Say you are with your friend and want > > > to give her name as well. I guess this > > > would be something like {djein. .e tim. > > > cmene mi}? Can you do this with {mi'e}, > > > too, maybe straight forward {mi'e djein. > > > .e tim.}? > > > > As {mi} can be plural, yes, but I wouldn't know which of you is which. You > > need {zo} in the first sentence and {la} in the second (you can't join bare > > cmene with {e}). > > So it's {mi'e tim} (no article) and {mi'e la > djein. e la tim} (articles needed in front of both > names)? Those are both acceptable; so is {mi'e la .tim.} (article in front of the only name). COI and DOI can take a bare cmevla ({coi .tim.}), a selbri tail ({coi se bangu be la .lojban.}), or a sumti ({coi la .djein. .e la .tim.}). Though {mi'e la .tim. .e la .djein.} is grammatical, I'm really not sure that it means the right thing. It strikes me a lot like {zo .tim. .e zo .djein. cmene mi}, which would be saying that both of them are names for me. I think I'd handle introducing someone else with either {.i ti du la .djein.} or {.i zo .djein. cmene ti}. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ "Do you have a lighter?" "Why?" "I need to see if this is gasoline." --Charlie Hinderliter