From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 17 05:55:35 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IAmaU-0002Zh-9S for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:55:34 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IAmaR-0002ZT-De for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:55:33 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3D8CE88E for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:55:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200707131845.34291.phma@phma.optus.nu> <136408.76098.qm@web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <925d17560707140740j4b9c3422s247213f558703a38@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560707140740j4b9c3422s247213f558703a38@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707170855.22834.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 14 July 2007 10:40, Jorge Llambías wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, the only two issues that have to be settled are > (1) whether or not to allow any possible string of vowels, and if some > restriction is imposed, what it will be, and > (2) what the allowed consonant clusters at the end of a cmevla should > be. Most cmevla end with a single consonant, but some have been > coined with consonant clusters at the end, which is not strange given that > English is a language that is particularly permissive with final consonant > clusters and most coiners are English speakers. I haven't heard back from Nora, so I don't know that anything's been settled. I think that any possible string of vowels should be allowed, and that an onset can be any string of consonants each pair of which is a valid initial pair, as long as "ntc" etc. does not appear. I also allow a syllable to end with two consonants, the first of which is a syllabic consonant. E.g. {tarksako} "dandelion" is {tark,sa,ko}. I have some other questions that affect a few possibly valid words, e.g. {xioskiamo} "henbane", but I don't think that discussion of the details is appropriate for the beginners' list. Pierre