From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 17 07:09:59 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IAnkU-0005XH-HY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:09:59 -0700 Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com ([72.14.246.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IAnkQ-0005X7-Ar for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:09:57 -0700 Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 33so1266343agc for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:09:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dT29Ly4uxW2Qi5EVgmcjDrMqKutwxkNTRTDdnaUWYn1mw5iilWoMPDh4MW2SntzHMNJXRYyRFdCsuy4qZsxxOmlxbHS6qHa5lLXfa8N9jXLBCHJ0CE7zgEZanQvHib4HO43u/v/wUDVjoFPC9qy035RwKsobsepYhWxaEN28mNk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qd8t4huaMnLxzSNEu2gyjj1ZKwr+LaFbhebuztw6X5bHthOPlkyw0YVi7IhJxP3sDM88BKVZ/5Vg1fpPhgRDnNOzNbJIlLDXdDCKSYuP/SeRvpPK45d1y5gj+pcPXASTmafgptonA2BcEsWFdLmhK4uSvNhOyx/wbjXJJ+bHGSY= Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr221424and.1184681389191; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560707170709s80c5531x225e24070ebc8182@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:09:48 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters In-Reply-To: <200707170855.22834.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200707131845.34291.phma@phma.optus.nu> <136408.76098.qm@web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <925d17560707140740j4b9c3422s247213f558703a38@mail.gmail.com> <200707170855.22834.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/17/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I think that any possible string of vowels should be allowed, The problem I have with that is that it opens the door to really weird words like {blaaaaaaaa} which I don't think anyone can really distinguish from {blaaaaaa}. We can say that those words will be excluded by common sense, and no special rule is necessary to block them, but even if everybody agrees in that particular case, perhaps not everyone will have the same common sense about {blaaaa}, or {blaaa}, or {blaa}. I prefer a restrictive rule that is occasionally inadvertently broken than an overly permissive one. > and that an > onset can be any string of consonants each pair of which is a valid initial > pair, as long as "ntc" etc. does not appear. That would give a list of infinite valid onsets. Again, one can restrict it by common sense, but I prefer a concrete rule because common sense for these things is too dependent on one's linguistic background. (You don't really need the additional "ntc" restriction there because "nt" is not a valid initial.) > I also allow a syllable to end > with two consonants, the first of which is a syllabic consonant. E.g. > {tarksako} "dandelion" is {tark,sa,ko}. This one is not so open-ended, so I could live with it, but it does allow much heavier syllables than what I would prefer. > I have some other questions that affect a few possibly valid words, e.g. > {xioskiamo} "henbane", {xios,kia,mo}, purely as a string of syllables, would be allowed in my scheme, while {skia,mo} wouldn't. (The morphological issues concerning tosmabru and slinku'i, that involve rafsi, have to be considered separately.) > but I don't think that discussion of the details is > appropriate for the beginners' list. Probably true, although some beginners do seem to be interested in some of these issues. mu'o mi'e xorxes