From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 18 05:51:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IB90W-0006ac-Mo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:51:57 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IB90U-0006aV-6I for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:51:56 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so38855ana for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qrTVMDzvuwMSM+HMgJxlDJ/YrRarLsNnJW9td2OViG7BDKvmbo1I2wxm9QPQHJU34PEVGGLuHsohVQ8dT6Ngs1em7utTfvbs2uVpg0nIHUWK4aNRoojGenSmTU9jpWSkv4HskaAN5b4Z9HGLKXBifVwkqnr4PmRwN/e/1250yLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d8xXHaisMjjXWJJBK+tF+lZ1AeLszLBmilASwg+AV4e70Sg0xkm9lv2xwWFvbH2S5Zl/0VsRhptsJqybb8ML07Br+E12gOOZKnd1oGT1qwPKtqEUhC49h9cqXnHc9TNlRTU1hQEp3wvCphwr77DXqOGvSoS0Pr+fbBMnubwEmX0= Received: by 10.100.190.8 with SMTP id n8mr906102anf.1184763112907; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560707180551vc0b551fuce322b77079f6ffe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:51:52 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: .ea .eia .e.a .oe .oue .o.e In-Reply-To: <1184761873.469e0811d35eb@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560707171540j57a6eef2oe5d1b8fa4eb1b201@mail.gmail.com> <1184746004.469dca14c7d9e@ssl0.ovh.net> <200707180805.37970.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1184761873.469e0811d35eb@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5231 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/18/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Selon Pierre Abbat : > > > {ea} is two syllables. It is pronounced exactly like {e,a}. > > Okay. So you don't consider {ea} a diphthong. Is this just > your personal view or is it "official"? It's official. The only diphthongs in Lojban are the four falling diphthongs: ai, au, ei, oi and the ten/twelve rising diphthongs: ia, ie, ii, io, iu, ua, ue, ui, uo, uu, (and iy, uy, though there's no official word that uses these two). ea, if it's to be allowed, is two syllables, like the oa in ioaxim. No official word has any non-diphthong vowel-vowel combination, though. > > {o,i}, on the > > other hand, is not pronounced like {oi}, but is the same word. > > Does this mean I can always pronounce a diphthong as two > separated vowels and this would be correct? It would be acceptable, although the diphthong pronunciation is the norm. For determining where the stress falls, it must be counted as one syllable even if you separate it as two. So for example you could pronounce {bra,bo,i} instead of {bra,boi}, but the stress must remain on the syllable bra. mu'o mi'e xorxes