From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 29 05:19:53 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IF7kW-0004eB-OJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:19:53 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.229]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IF7kT-0004dr-9X for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:19:52 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1033682wxd for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:19:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hksyLKekHdLq9tFK/GfmH5Id3YBNd2HbpFFVo3BgoENCxO0yo+zVroOvsJM1lCgoKsWzBkX/FUwgVz/PS02cQRVMtZrYSJHxUUV6U5htVNctnuu/LPENFc+sAeFHxrMzVm62LK1+Jh1qoWfbvsVzqXSz05l91sLhbA+uDYd65LY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J+q3HUVuQYHuhhcHTh8nKJ7r0mozonHJhokzPaC2eH0PxiBSjMc8hUomiGhyKlg5Wfk0E6siXhBU0qGTXrB9KYgEV1zdxSdNb+Sfnk8J/kW5Lmnxe5xdM2Vt0Y9x0M3QXTWHbQvb13m2ui0ibtjl0Ft9jFKHZL98Zuwe+z+NjiI= Received: by 10.70.68.9 with SMTP id q9mr8227464wxa.1185711586935; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.38.7 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0707290519m55c6905ah48064182a69003e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:19:46 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] mo'i ni'a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners mi'e vid The Prophet: The Coming of the Ship (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Prophet%3A+The+Coming+of+the+Ship&bl): as he descended the hill, a sadness came upon him mo'i ni'a lo nu badri cu cfari Question: How can I distinguish the above use of { mo'i } from that one in { mi bajra mo'i ti'a le barja}, "I run to the backside of the bar"? Isn't a terminator like { ku } needed here after that pair of tenses so that a grammatical room for the elided sumti { le cmana } "the hill" is preserved instead of being overlapped with { lo nu badri }? Since this instance of { mo'i ni'a } is directly followed by the sumti { lo nu badri } and therefore identical to the structure of { mo'i ti'a le barja }, I tend to read it as something like "as he went under the state of sadness, [something unspecified] began". mu'o