From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 11 09:47:17 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IJu7Q-00017x-OW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:47:17 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IJu7N-00017q-0n for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:47:15 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so781952wxd for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ImrWAClYAndXnzaZ+eCB27VbDuqnlowUyHrfa47m4ydf8VzxESr1P35Q9wBo3kTXEDSVqnIRLZ9RSo2nsHcrLioAOLiw0GaTKBR3MQSKPaE9zQ1s0+oKN0g/+ifXI6Lh6LTnqX4n4Ea+7kvK51E5ISIQoYD9ob5a60f4XsAX9Jw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ughyJh5mHOom1A+auzVjycWRVrDADkeZ9fqDEw4hI+R5qSngd6HebZCDyvXukwWKtxFJBLxqAP07Gu7R2LHTTImCqxRpywH/ZWdiJndSyEBmPgLVgDHdsC2gPJB6mzN7jxkaGRfYRf9FwAd3gf1RLYTuUXAhangOFWzFWkwtUNI= Received: by 10.70.133.10 with SMTP id g10mr7392022wxd.1186850831013; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.38.7 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0708110947r47ef9328s4ac8b2b2c602d217@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:47:10 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <002301c7dc2b$3573bb70$f25cf8d9@ayuwiqa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708101833g5f57ce09h84cf801068bb1937@mail.gmail.com> <002301c7dc2b$3573bb70$f25cf8d9@ayuwiqa> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/11/07, Daniel Goetzmann wrote: > To be honest, when I saw a fu'ivla starting in a vowel for the first time I > didn't believe that it was a valid fu'ivla. But now I'm pretty sure that > fu'ivla may start with a vowel under certain circumstances. I don't know why the creator (Pierre) left the beginning vowel in {agbakata}. Appart from that it looks fine as a stage 3 fu'ivla: it has consonant clusters in the first five letters and ends in a vowel. Jorge too seems to have agreed with such an unusual convention e.g. {alba'aka}. I'd like to know why. mu'o mi'e vid