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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
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On Saturday 11 August 2007 17:11, Vid Sintef wrote:
> Beginning with a vowel is ok for stage 1 & 2 fu'ivla as they are used
> in distinct constructs like {me la'o sy. avocado sy.} or {me la
> .abakatat.} respectively; but stage 3 fu'ivla are exposed directly in
> a sentence with other words. If having a vowel at the beginning is
> valid for all fu'ivla, will the unambiguity/easiness of parsing a
> Lojban sentence be still always the case?

Stage 4 fu'ivla can begin with a vowel, and the vowel must be preceded by a 
pause, which separates it from the previous word. The word also must not be 
of a form that one can remove all the initial vowels and apostrophes and have 
a valid word. Thus {agbakate} is valid because a word can't begin with {gb}, 
{aizdo} and {io'imbe} are valid because {zdo} and {mbe} are monosyllabic, and 
{eskrima} is valid because {skrima} is a slinku'i. On the other hand, 
{ioskiamo} is invalid because {skiamo} is valid - though xorxes disagrees 
with me on that.

Pierre