From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 14 13:36:23 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IL37m-0000bL-5m for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:22 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IL37i-0000b7-3j for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:21 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m16so2245522waf for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fqYkd0vPmfb505oqLCfnwUSwdv4tS1dTsnqO+iLNo/9QLNJtI2EL2xsAZJUaaRh83ik5jfdVBHv9dX7PcXrSk7IwF4j0cY2NLz6kHpI+ikRxz+0X6sQ5Xp0hJwiDU4q1sy2SsjAHLrXVT/9NXcFMDlZ0vgfR+f3O7BS0nYqdFSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uUrfBZKUNKe8f5HTCmj07cXVTo0FGDv7lWgm57sOOSk0GbsZIDz3yHCV8G3IbfL8I2T8mq7Iwm4HMh+uTL+Z9g/6dW/UDQsxD9vntLZJ0P5ZpHu63PMEt6Ua73Ze6riBnYF6wjIlWpkYZ/A2BmeHUVC+xtghGQCCgnJahwc7rRQ= Received: by 10.114.180.1 with SMTP id c1mr1592898waf.1187123771603; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.38.7 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0708141336t23e9e7c3j93315074b877fca2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:36:11 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: le vinji vs lo vinji In-Reply-To: <925d17560708141133w37b6540cob75ad444317c5f0d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708130410g245818a8tc6038a3c7254a822@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560708130906y258edbe1m2854238c3041a975@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0708140559n1981eb32vd491bcdb7632abba@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560708140644g57af032bv49695fca87fa5741@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0708140831j25214ce5x4c75ad9dcb79f3b9@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560708141133w37b6540cob75ad444317c5f0d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/14/07, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > Won't {zi'o} help? > > In theory, yes. In practice, I don't think {zi'o} works very well > because pragmatically it's completely backwards, calling > attention to what shouldn't be there in the first place. I see. The first instance I've come across was {loi jmive cu se zbasu zi'o loi selci}, on the (converted) x2 place of which I was made vainly focused, as you say. > Is Mickey Mouse a mouse, or is he a human in disguise? There is no absolute > answer to that question, it depends on the context, on whether you are > making some kind of scientific or literal statement or whether you are > being playful, etc. Depending on the age of the child, you may choose > to put yourself in the fantasy world of the child and play along, or maybe > you are in a bad mood and you may choose to burst his bubble, or > whatever. There is no difference between Lojban and English or any other > language there. The idea that Lojban is a language exclusively for the use > of literal minded robots is not correct, it is a human language like any other. Good news.