From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 14 14:24:35 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IL3sQ-0002vd-DI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:34 -0700 Received: from web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IL3sL-0002tW-U9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 11870 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 21:24:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=L7/0ZL5R7MA5woAZkQ++P+I+zoD/G4Ul+Kl3karMvRYuCwntyx5ZLbsx3EpFHl1ovT3bLAbqOesUPfGmP06y0YnsYcR4iCPIDQrUQkIxreEfSAPcMJNfiSbuXDt+MSGSm0g3H7woorBXOE1UleVNS10zh6gWlNLzurqwFb6y8yU=; X-YMail-OSG: mcRTKWAVM1nGmitmIrBgT5u.geEuBmVF6.bXwiIHyZdsd2egx9QMr8h7RlVHsLYrVzG3DuHdKwN7OvXYRebVUJryLEwa_jTvHIB0fYmpX.St3hUixz7a Received: from [74.123.21.51] by web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:22 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Standards and states To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-ID: <891449.11497.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: 9 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo I have a question concerning the use of states as standards. In the Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin, we have the following exchange: {.i pycy cusku lu .ieru'e .oiru'e ku'i by puza klama ti gi'e cusku lu lo melbi ba'e cmalu u'i bo guzmrkukurbita bo purdi cu se ponse do doi paf li'u li'u .i lu do'i jetnu jufra .i sa'e do'i jetnu lo za'i karbi fi le so'i guzme purdi pe by li'u se cusku ko'e} The last sentence was originally: 'Especially compared to his his fields of pumpkins. The X2 in {jetnu} should be a standard/epistemology/metaphysics. Can the {lo za'i} abstraction be used here as the standard of comparison? ki'e mu'o mi'e andrus