From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 17 19:55:31 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IMETF-0007cB-Vc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:55:29 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.234]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IMESz-0007at-8c for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:55:16 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so608967wxd for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:55:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pPPpxpDrq8xCx6YNebQVzkL6KbaK1h3ZgZNG0HxnuBjzzhHGdC8B+2sLLrT9U+RhGJOdgv6xOcExfw9bDn4NZGkGanP/0u1er++gksjspf+a/aUutNYhIYYPclzpQa2YhzC6GVX9wtKnrr4AuJeIPDSBz8FJKgy48nbnlijvZv8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t9qadlw3oUVYTncwdHlhdqm6EpaUBH5gNk2Mggt48Pb2PuQh5xPxHWk+N3AgzbrQHWtInWsteEGi4gmJua0P4iYMMZDKbAIRy3J4YiDME9UDb6O8HEfsOzF3/jzQ2CIrYeO6oRi9/4OhXNp+KDpTTulIT82/1eEGuFaeN+7keRk= Received: by 10.70.12.2 with SMTP id 2mr5948060wxl.1187405699790; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.38.7 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0708171954y645b186fnc161eb66c169e4a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:54:58 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "technology" In-Reply-To: <20070817205942.GQ12868@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708150455q63589003qf7b714d797466d1a@mail.gmail.com> <20070817205942.GQ12868@digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/17/07, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > That's an odd definition, as it doesn't make any reference to the > *products* of that practical application, which is exactly what > technology is in my mind. > > The most general word for technology in Lojban (in the way I think > of it) is rutni; does that help? Not really. rutni (or lo rutni) is rather physical, an object that has already got its material existence and thus can be physically touched. On the other hand "technology" is an intermediary mode or channel of knowledge through which an idea is materialized into some particularly intended concrete form. I think of "technology" as a systematized set of principles of "technique" (that's why there is this "-logy" suffix, isn't it?). It is "technology" through which lo rutni comes into being. A television, as an artifact, as lo rutni, is not by itself "technology". A television is a thing which comes into being *through* "technology". Clouds are not meteorology, strata are not geology, hairs are not biology. And artifacts are not technology. -vid