From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 28 08:14:58 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IbHYP-00009F-Qy for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:14:58 -0700 Received: from sparkle.rodents.montreal.qc.ca ([216.46.5.7] ident=oyZI4FyUzzUYtGKs5ErZcEuXmen8ZE5kDnFEXdfssu8) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IbHYL-000097-Jq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:14:57 -0700 Received: (from mouse@localhost) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14270; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: der Mouse Message-Id: <200709281514.LAA14270@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Erik-Conspiracy: There is no Conspiracy - and if there were I wouldn't be part of it anyway. X-Message-Flag: Microsoft: the company who gave us the botnet zombies. Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:57:12 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #169 In-Reply-To: References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners > Here is a hint to figure out this puzzle! The letters "c" "h" make > the CH sound in English. Sometimes - but they also make other sounds, such as K ("ache", "technology"), SH ("machine"), and occasionally others, like one that English has only in loanwords from languages like German, Arabic, and Russian, the top-of-the-throat guttural perhaps most commonly transliterated "kh" - {x}, IIRC. English spelling<->sound mapping is a right horror - google for "english is tough stuff" (with the quotes) if you want some examples. > But there is no reason for this. Actually, there probably is, but it would take a linguist or philologist to explain it. :-) > The mouth does not start with a "c" sound and transition into an "h" > sound when it creates a ch sound. What two sounds, when you put them > one after another, blend into that sound? The ones English canonically spells T and SH (or nearly - the tongue position of CH is usually a little bit back from its position for T, but I, at least, find it very difficult to pronounce an unmodified T immediately followed by SH; the following SH seems to want to pull the tongue back from the teeth a little, producing the usual "soft CH"). /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B