From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 21 08:53:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijd7I-0001jU-6Y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:53:28 -0700 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijd7F-0001jH-IE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:53:27 -0700 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so2297303fkr for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yyI3DMSMk1nhJzp2N41VopMDFuJafspie8oy0YB+bE0=; b=Mt94VXfShpKLODTurGT03Yvbk1nR7naWrwTme/wruF5W8+j8WkwgcA3tDn9M8Lu5yNELb7uEW10A+wBt8wVRm8m0drneYYCWcAoAFjPFsjkQjCD3F39pFAqRcQnVkbmBtSzSm4rN/q5omyWpdkoW39XQbfjP58Yzk2YkMgBjfYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rJkddmrO0wGR6F00kMq6aNHZOb2sUmyfipDU11ThzNp/qw1z0NxKG8ImRkEdNW0/nE7adDujjEdwrFEACtJIITjo18BI9v00Rgp/9dAvnMKrIFcpdSF4xAtb5BSU2gynojGfpu7cWCDzHekZ1i9pIBu65wIc495rhIqgvII+Hjc= Received: by 10.82.154.12 with SMTP id b12mr6603197bue.1192982000819; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.113.2 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2204fa080710210853l51a90b6exabf9075dcb3d3eee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:53:20 -0400 From: "Jared Angell" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: some questions In-Reply-To: <925d17560710210724x5b1c2091s8e1d90b922d86d42@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13512_19606052.1192982000783" References: <2204fa080710200633i681486e4l234f44613140eb5e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710210724x5b1c2091s8e1d90b922d86d42@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5514 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: angell.jared@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_13512_19606052.1192982000783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It sounds to me like this language will not be practical until several of u= s congregate together and start speaking it and teaching it to kids. As brilliant as it is I think its still a pipe dream. Which is a shame because the amount of usefulness it posses to academia alone is beyond calculation! On 10/21/07, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On 10/20/07, Matt Arnold wrote: > > On 10/20/07, Jared Angell wrote: > > > > > Also...isn't keeping track of the place structures for every single > word is > > > Lojban damn near impossible???? > > > > Difficult perhaps, for some. But it has been proven to be possible. > > I would like anyone who claims to have mastered the place structures > for every single gismu to tell me what the x3 of {dunku}, {xanka} and > {terpa} are. If they can answer correctly four or five tricky questions > like that, I might then believe it has been proven. > > > Most gismu follow a predictable place-structure pattern so they don't > > have to all be memorized. > > There are some regularities, yes, but the number of exceptions is high > enough that, at least in my case, the task of mastering place structures > becomes indeed damn near impossible. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --=20 Jared "There is no emotion, there is peace; there is no ignorance, there is knowledge; there is no passion, there is serenity; there is no death, there is the Universe" "Work smart when you can and hard if you must" "When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat" "Open Source: The light side of computing. It's never too late to join" ------=_Part_13512_19606052.1192982000783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It sounds to me like this language will not be practical until several of u= s congregate together and start speaking it and teaching it to kids.
As brilliant as it is I think its still a pipe dream.  Which is a sha= me because the amount of usefulness it posses to academia alone is beyond c= alculation!

On 10/21/07, Jorge Llamb=EDas <j= jllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/20/07, Matt Arnold <matt= .mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/20/07, Jared Angell <angell.jared@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> > Also...isn't keeping track of the place structure= s for every single word is
> > Lojban damn near impossible????
= >
> Difficult perhaps, for some. But it has been proven to be poss= ible.

I would like anyone who claims to have mastered the place structure= s
for every single gismu to tell me what the x3 of {dunku}, {xanka} and<= br>{terpa} are. If they can answer correctly four or five tricky questions
like that, I might then believe it has been proven.

> Most gi= smu follow a predictable place-structure pattern so they don't
> = have to all be memorized.

There are some regularities, yes, but the = number of exceptions is high
enough that, at least in my case, the task of mastering place structure= s
becomes indeed damn near impossible.

mu'o mi'e xorxes





--
Jared

"There is no emotion, there is peace;  there is no ignor= ance, there is knowledge;  there is no passion, there is serenity= ;  there is no death, there is the Universe"

"Wo= rk smart when you can and hard if you must"

"When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat&qu= ot;

"Open Source: The light side of computing.  It= 9;s never too late to join" ------=_Part_13512_19606052.1192982000783--