From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 23 01:56:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkFYX-0008Fk-Ba for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:56:19 -0700 Received: from web27708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkFYF-0008Ez-Pi for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:56:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 68881 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2007 08:55:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WZW34QL+aZydMRGc9uC4oyYzfK35gcq4kGsrv6kA+6sbK91E18yioijwJsckWVvA3gAKSQ/FGpo1RBzxwZBpyY9luQcj5yxdyBWAQXSE+3PQYvooQw8I8zkunYl1GrxXY4zoITuxFmwDyxnxInw72qseO3KvBem98TCIeufXTOQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 8Mbm8qoVM1n3Cen_TxmfkOYwuP5_RDTsEuxB2ib3d7YLD8HpKT51UPkhgAgVQ8dJo0E5l7JD4mmp1Nwp0jaRdP4MWYWsUux7oLXMz2C88.WsGTX0FV8ztWqYdOI- Received: from [130.239.156.94] by web27708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:55:27 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:55:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Isen hand Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: learning to climb on floors To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1778267232-1193129727=:68703" Message-ID: <745045.68703.qm@web27708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: isenhand@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1778267232-1193129727=:68703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AJohn,=0A=0A=0ANice! Where=92s your blog?=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AKids books= sounds interesting but I wonder how to teach some=0Aof the more complex lo= gic of lojban. Perhaps by usage?=0A=0A=0A=0AAndrew=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- O= riginal Message ----=0AFrom: John Daigle =0ATo: lojb= an-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Tuesday, 23 October, 2007 8:51:52 AM=0ASubj= ect: [lojban-beginners] learning to climb on floors=0A=0AHello to the maili= ng list. mi'e djan. =0A=0AI have just started writing my blog in lojban. I = thought it would be a good idea to write about what my son does, because he= does very simple things. I'm thinking of creating a few kid's books in loj= ban. It turns out to be hard to keep it simple! Even a sentence like "Conno= r is learning to crawl" is difficult. For a kid's book, I would stick to "C= onnor is crawling."=0A=0A=0AAnyway, for today, this is what I wrote:=0A=0Al= a kan,r. cilre cpare le loldi .i le cpare be le loldi cu frili .ui .i la ka= n,r. cilre sanli. .i le sanli. cu nandu .oi =0A=0AThis is what I meant to s= ay:=0A=0AConnor is learning to crawl (lit. Connor is climbing on floors in = a learning way). Crawling is easy! Connor is learning to stand. Standing is= hard!=0A=0A=0APerhaps someone could tell me what I actually said? And perh= aps how to say what I wanted to say? Note: I'm trying to stick to the gismu= as much as possible.=0A=0AThe gismu cpare is listed as climb/clamber/creep= /crawl, but the lojban translator sticks to "climb-er(s)". What is the corr= ect usage?=0A=0A=0A-- =0AJohn Daigle=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=09=09=0A_________= __________________________________________________ =0AYahoo! Photos =96 NEW= , now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photo= s.yahoo.com --0-1778267232-1193129727=:68703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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John,

Nice! Where=92s your blog?

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Kids books sounds interesting but I wonder how to teach some=0Aof the more= complex logic of lojban. Perhaps by usage?

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Andrew

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----- Ori= ginal Message ----
From: John Daigle <johnpdaigle@gmail.com>
To= : lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October, 2007 8:51:52 AM=
Subject: [lojban-beginners] learning to climb on floors

Hello to= the mailing list. mi'e djan.

I have just started writing my blog i= n lojban. I thought it would be a good idea to write about what my son does= , because he does very simple things. I'm thinking of creating a few kid's = books in lojban. It turns out to be hard to keep it simple! Even a sentence= like "Connor is learning to crawl" is difficult. For a kid's book, I would= stick to "Connor is crawling."=0A

Anyway, for today, this is what I= wrote:

la kan,r. cilre cpare le loldi .i le cpare be le loldi cu fr= ili .ui .i la kan,r. cilre sanli. .i le sanli. cu nandu .oi

This is= what I meant to say:

Connor is learning to crawl (lit. Connor is cl= imbing on floors in a learning way). Crawling is easy! Connor is learning t= o stand. Standing is hard!=0A

Perhaps someone could te= ll me what I actually said? And perhaps how to say what I wanted to say? No= te: I'm trying to stick to the gismu as much as possible.

The gismu = cpare is listed as climb/clamber/creep/crawl, but the lojban translator sti= cks to "climb-er(s)". What is the correct usage?=0A

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John Daig= le=0A

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