From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 25 12:03:45 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Il7zc-0008CV-L8 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:45 -0700 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Il7za-0008CD-8V for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:44 -0700 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so983132mue for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1yIp6vJJ8LhvBOICFQzdHXkbGF5gyCiiT4fNhKSozZw=; b=awHlTAp1vk/AxYuZRlT0vC0W+U/KvpBq3BspLnpRhy1bLSpjv3xRHoJ2W6axmDK6NBEm/9FPA3FuRQxyk0g1vac3P2Qc2BqhIUgEdHcnONxRXIBaG7b/d81JXSBVOAnR9rO0XjQYwSQ75S7ka+SCiEx/b5citJmHSlbPBij4VYw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PXbZ5l0N/S9nTv2LeAc6v/pYxoL6CpGWY0goeH2nB2BUgXO1LcXooEmLI3UZe5L50DDTlN1geboaia/+94g0qJLeZiEFIpGou5wbXx5N/XKY//Jx+UhbEEYH4WJP4kGzP+TQpb3YaMnWusxuXCYqA333shX8iBicfI8veJ/So/E= Received: by 10.82.107.15 with SMTP id f15mr3905551buc.1193339012294; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.113.2 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2204fa080710251203s7d25a5c1if576468adcbf7675@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:03:31 -0500 From: "Jared Angell" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome In-Reply-To: <975a94850710251146g2f1cb00eka98d0ec87c02ae3b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2709_19224167.1193339011481" References: <821531.97363.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2204fa080710250218g1d01c396gc2cffe2594094d0a@mail.gmail.com> <47209CB8.8070703@lojban.org> <975a94850710250956t2cd0e855ncce7c1681ff719e2@mail.gmail.com> <4720DEC4.3040806@lojban.org> <975a94850710251146g2f1cb00eka98d0ec87c02ae3b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5630 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: angell.jared@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_2709_19224167.1193339011481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So 'rekyboldi'u' could be used to describe the class of all geosesic domes...but now I have learned that the type of geodome i was referring to is the specific type made of triangles (and what if I mean the type with windows, does this then make the word used even more complex?) Does anyone guess my game here yet (I suspect Bob does and that he has already got the next move planned out)? Because this exercise has already succeeded. Djared (Farlus) On 10/25/07, Joel Shellman wrote: > > > > I would think one of the wonderful benefits of lojban is that you can > > > do this--create a word that is very precise in what you mean. Granted, > > > that would mean an enormous vocabulary, thus my question--can someone > > > decompose a word they've never seen before and most likely understand > > > what it should mean? > > > > I would say that there are many who could get the approximate meaning. > > Getting a place structure identical to that which the originator might > > have intended is a bit harder, especially without several places filled > in. > > Could you explain what you mean about getting the place structure > identical--what do you mean? > > Looking at: > > rekyboldi'u > > for example, are there multiple ways that can be decomposed? Or do the > rules preclude that? > > Hmmm... considering I just went to: > > http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php.en (had to do a workaround to > make it work--doesn't seem to work as-is) > > put in rekyboldi'u and it gives: frame-ish-sphere-ish-building(s) > > It seems that if a program could determine what it means than that > answers my question, that decomposition is deterministic? If so, > besides being way cool, that should resolve any concern about having > too large a vocabulary--so long as you know the roots and the rules, > you have a good chance of at least getting the concept that is trying > to be conveyed. > > > > -- Jared "There is no emotion, there is peace; there is no ignorance, there is knowledge; there is no passion, there is serenity; there is no death, there is the Universe" "Work smart when you can and hard if you must" "When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat" "Open Source: The light side of computing. It's never too late to join" ------=_Part_2709_19224167.1193339011481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So 'rekyboldi'u' could be used to describe the class of all geosesic domes...but now I have learned that the type of geodome i was referring to is the specific type made of triangles (and what if I mean the type with windows, does this then make the word used even more complex?)

Does anyone guess my game here yet (I suspect Bob does and that he has already got the next move planned out)?  Because this exercise has already succeeded.

Djared (Farlus)

On 10/25/07, Joel Shellman <jshellman@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would think one of the wonderful benefits of lojban is that you can
> > do this--create a word that is very precise in what you mean. Granted,
> > that would mean an enormous vocabulary, thus my question--can someone
> > decompose a word they've never seen before and most likely understand
> > what it should mean?
>
> I would say that there are many who could get the approximate meaning.
> Getting a place structure identical to that which the originator might
> have intended is a bit harder, especially without several places filled in.

Could you explain what you mean about getting the place structure
identical--what do you mean?

Looking at:

rekyboldi'u

for example, are there multiple ways that can be decomposed? Or do the
rules preclude that?

Hmmm... considering I just went to:

http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php.en (had to do a workaround to
make it work--doesn't seem to work as-is)

put in rekyboldi'u and it gives: frame-ish-sphere-ish-building(s)

It seems that if a program could determine what it means than that
answers my question, that decomposition is deterministic? If so,
besides being way cool, that should resolve any concern about having
too large a vocabulary--so long as you know the roots and the rules,
you have a good chance of at least getting the concept that is trying
to be conveyed.






--
Jared

"There is no emotion, there is peace;  there is no ignorance, there is knowledge;  there is no passion, there is serenity;  there is no death, there is the Universe"

"Work smart when you can and hard if you must"

"When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat"

"Open Source: The light side of computing.  It's never too late to join" ------=_Part_2709_19224167.1193339011481--