From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 25 14:18:02 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlA5Z-0004xo-Pz for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:18:02 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlA5X-0004xY-4o for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:18:01 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so1015476pyi for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dH6EGV+ST6+5x33aGDIYQqiL8tOb5WhZ4fWyWJKv3nU=; b=t4cYDX53YRa9tJqxvkRleaBa9mOVaJnlH8PDgVdn9eHYYok4d2uBUJtf/F9WEYZQvjHjO0YHwwANHsWd7xCwsNTl7W6iT+JQA8FvayfoHKfAXVPZaKeTh62JI5S0Fj8bl8j8VU/8OYGBnwVE6SBOkrBri2NKrjPU7pI1ZS8NnGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=s9ln8hNhTgC2MbKijV2QlR5t6U1EWXqIJaLSRi+LpB8B6N+kp2/PreSjnCP4An7SpsrJVwTk1xRo5sLLRjiicwLl1WG6kowBnH9ydd771TrDyWSbNYXzDtX5bHAvWMyLs9fjwvAcc2WTAQVUBwRMLBG/OTA3Tc96SmRGXkkP+J4= Received: by 10.65.192.19 with SMTP id u19mr4808549qbp.1193347077151; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.156.11 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71550650710251417i686ca2b9we20402160e3b2fde@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:17:57 +0200 From: "Yoav Nir" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome In-Reply-To: <975a94850710251146g2f1cb00eka98d0ec87c02ae3b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3430_32558884.1193347077146" References: <821531.97363.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2204fa080710250218g1d01c396gc2cffe2594094d0a@mail.gmail.com> <47209CB8.8070703@lojban.org> <975a94850710250956t2cd0e855ncce7c1681ff719e2@mail.gmail.com> <4720DEC4.3040806@lojban.org> <975a94850710251146g2f1cb00eka98d0ec87c02ae3b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5647 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_3430_32558884.1193347077146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A computer, or a competent lojban-speaker can look at the lujvo and get back the tanru. However, without having seen the lujvo before, you need to guess what the meaning is, because all you know is the tanru, and tanru can have ambiguous meanings. What is a frame-ish sphere? Perhaps it's a wireframe sphere - a shape that's not closed. So the entire tanru could mean a building made of wireframe sphere. Obviously such a building would not stop the rain. If I don't know the lujvo (and hey, it's not in the dictionary) I can only guess what it is. On 10/25/07, Joel Shellman wrote: > > put in rekyboldi'u and it gives: frame-ish-sphere-ish-building(s) > > It seems that if a program could determine what it means than that > answers my question, that decomposition is deterministic? If so, > besides being way cool, that should resolve any concern about having > too large a vocabulary--so long as you know the roots and the rules, > you have a good chance of at least getting the concept that is trying > to be conveyed. > > > > ------=_Part_3430_32558884.1193347077146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A computer, or a competent lojban-speaker can look at the lujvo and get back the tanru.

However, without having seen the lujvo before, you need to guess what the meaning is, because all you know is the tanru, and tanru can have ambiguous meanings.

What is a frame-ish sphere?  Perhaps it's a wireframe sphere - a shape that's not closed.  So the entire tanru could mean a building made of wireframe sphere. Obviously such a building would not stop the rain.

If I don't know the lujvo (and hey, it's not in the dictionary) I can only guess what it is.


On 10/25/07, Joel Shellman <jshellman@gmail.com> wrote:
put in rekyboldi'u and it gives: frame-ish-sphere-ish-building(s)

It seems that if a program could determine what it means than that
answers my question, that decomposition is deterministic? If so,
besides being way cool, that should resolve any concern about having
too large a vocabulary--so long as you know the roots and the rules,
you have a good chance of at least getting the concept that is trying
to be conveyed.




 
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