From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 26 09:33:34 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlS7p-0003lG-HU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:33 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlS7j-0003kw-1X for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:33 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so690163nfv for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3DiMQjgAnyYFFq0NEVhe2sGoxdobJiQCHXtEWPIiIgU=; b=qSZccCpRhbzbC77t3vIRayiHZBze7sCZKLyMvxlf40TNW2cDiKk5L0gMVXzAjsdU+DTHpo+hjLg/B+9FTQuRBhXEcKqwxMCCdDkIjfp0U0/VIRAWOIQbh0mkosyXjdP6Z7vKTDPZDWEVfrzzgPCyj4zhteWoy20zF8ZE7Yu55po= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a54Pk94o1EzbDqnhsj21fHB/rMuIzu5B8QvJqAOLLUGa0dH5MHEVDcyjieY9QnolVl5eSnKwRB1VqTFcVGYz/nsMMDthbQAVXMC+KvoybB9t9YSgG2F43FlgP7Spd8kdWoTpbEjFjGR0WDEcXkwWGMTb1cpTM/iHB/FwwYVnFLs= Received: by 10.86.95.20 with SMTP id s20mr2369352fgb.1193416404890; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710260933y4abc8a90m340363a7945c4ab4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:33:24 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome In-Reply-To: <975a94850710260905u5d0dc9ddw77a85a78aa082c04@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <821531.97363.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2204fa080710250218g1d01c396gc2cffe2594094d0a@mail.gmail.com> <47209CB8.8070703@lojban.org> <975a94850710250956t2cd0e855ncce7c1681ff719e2@mail.gmail.com> <4720DEC4.3040806@lojban.org> <975a94850710251146g2f1cb00eka98d0ec87c02ae3b@mail.gmail.com> <47210CF9.9010906@lojban.org> <975a94850710251510h57f6d0d1ue3d900ca8b7369f9@mail.gmail.com> <4721E54F.7070001@lojban.org> <975a94850710260905u5d0dc9ddw77a85a78aa082c04@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5683 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/26/07, Joel Shellman wrote: > > --if one did follow the lujvo-making rules/conventions, > would the place structure be deterministic then? Only in a few special cases. For example, you can be practically certain of place structures such as: nunbroda: x1 nu x2 broda x3 x4 ... rodgau: x1 gasnu lo nu x2 broda x3 x4 ... rodmau: x1 zmadu x2 lo ka ce'u broda x3 x4 ... and there are other affix-like components like nun-, -gau or -mau that give pretty much predictable place structures. But in general, for some arbitrary broda and brode you don't know whether {rodybrode} means x1 broda je brode x2 x3 ... x1 brode lo broda x2 x3 ... x1 brode x2 lo broda x3 ... x1 brode lo nu x1 broda ... and many other possibilities. mu'o mi'e xorxes