From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 26 15:32:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlXjA-0001Kc-Vj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:29 -0700 Received: from miranda.org ([216.93.242.2]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlXj8-0001KO-6F for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 14282 invoked by uid 534); 26 Oct 2007 16:32:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:32:24 -0600 From: Jay F Kominek To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome Message-ID: <20071026223224.GR22996@miranda.org> References: <4720DEC4.3040806@lojban.org> <975a94850710251146g2f1cb00eka98d0ec87c02ae3b@mail.gmail.com> <47210CF9.9010906@lojban.org> <975a94850710251510h57f6d0d1ue3d900ca8b7369f9@mail.gmail.com> <4721E54F.7070001@lojban.org> <975a94850710260905u5d0dc9ddw77a85a78aa082c04@mail.gmail.com> <4722415B.2000106@lojban.org> <975a94850710261310y7e2586d4p60cc69af7881a9f8@mail.gmail.com> <2204fa080710261503ue4df8cbnab58026306087816@mail.gmail.com> <2204fa080710261516k203228b3g553585f5a311cf6d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2204fa080710261516k203228b3g553585f5a311cf6d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5693 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 05:16:43PM -0500, Jared Angell wrote: > I just want to pre-empt the reply that I am expecting now. 'Geodesic dome' > is not a concept of English which is ambigous and requires many different > words in Lojban. In fact, it is a very specific concept. And the more precisely you can to convey it, the more words you're going to need. As with anything, in any language. Notice how it took you a whole (long) paragraph to define it. Anything less than that will be a necessary abbreviation, that generally works just fine because both parties have shared context. > A geodesic dome thus means: a dome composed of geodesics. Take a moment, and consider the utter meaninglessness of that statement. > Why can't their be a compound word in Lojban that means geodesic > (triangle-circles?) and a root word that means dome??? I'd even settle for > a compound word for dome too if it were only composed of two other words. > (half-circle-dwelling?) > > Otherwise Lojban is making a fairly simple concept overly complex I feel. Lojban will convey some things more verbosely than other languages, and some things will be conveyed less verbosely. This means Lojban is actually a different language. lojban-beginners was not intended for people to make opinioned pronouncements about Lojban. Please take that elsewhere. -- Jay Kominek