From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 28 09:13:41 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImAlg-0005c4-Gs for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:13:40 -0700 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImAld-0005bc-Vj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:13:40 -0700 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so2511214fkr for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ETKvKRQ/MocYKuuRB83IEMkBD88hJXTmWCk4m9ey1TQ=; b=nbgbOEDsUo5K48hTkxXy17iKcZbPvc2rwDBw2lx/gclsKtKomiQj01dVt5Y8Wu/wtSiry+qB6h6jCL5+7wTrcW/xTChcuCEC2WuYQpphDjufqz+9+4aKRk9hdQ3aGIW6+6cDAjOTGrXAMefOLenxMQzgwUkUe3TlKzCB93KTdtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qBqGoWlVF/X5fk/RxQNgVaSMvWB9BYq6yZIB4HvuapFwf1s1QJdRLJR9SxD1ChZrh0BAes6sKYbiL7Sll/v5NUSBnB5Ik2KKe/akeKjUIIOm2h8FWMQ3VxlsBWPGP3pZ2Bc3nWRwJH266LBjcGx5gWXXxLVMVNHGSShl6eijQ9E= Received: by 10.82.162.14 with SMTP id k14mr9947699bue.1193588014856; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.112.20 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2204fa080710280913w395ba6c8idc80b8510517631@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:13:34 -0500 From: "Jared Angell" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome In-Reply-To: <4724B10B.6080107@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11907_14869404.1193588014844" References: <821531.97363.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <97f5058c0710261625md4f9d8dm60457d1351b2f025@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710270830k57e16d76ofe3a90a6ddd669a8@mail.gmail.com> <200710281051.09598.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4724B10B.6080107@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5723 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: angell.jared@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_11907_14869404.1193588014844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Point taken. On 10/28/07, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > Pierre Abbat wrote: > > Whatever we decide to call a geodesic dome, we need to distinguish it > from > > other kinds of domes, which may be constructed with geodesics, but in a > > different arrangement. > > Why do we *need* to do so? > > > A few days ago I watched a video about the > > construction of what is now the Cricket Arena. Its greku consists of a > ring > > of concrete columns, a tension ring, and many great circle arcs which > meet at > > a compression ring near the top. It is a dome, and it contains of > geodesics, > > but it is not a geodesic dome. > > But it may be a rekyboldi'u or whatever word becomes the commonly used > word for geodesic dome in Lojban. English may divide the word into > domes that Bucky Fuller would call "geodesic domes" and other kinds of > domes. Lojban might divide the world into rekyboldi'u and other kinds > of boldi'u. > > If it became critical in some rare instance (a patent translation > perhaps) to refer to the specific concept invented by Fuller, as opposed > to anything else, then it can be "rekybodi'u pe la bykifrl,r" or some > such. > > Lojban does NOT need to make the same distinctions that other languages > make in normal usage. It may need to be able to make such distinctions > for possibly rare translation reasons, but those can be both ad hoc and > long-winded if necessary, based on Zipfean principles. > > lojbab > > > > > -- Jared "There is no emotion, there is peace; there is no ignorance, there is knowledge; there is no passion, there is serenity; there is no death, there is the Universe" "Work smart when you can and hard if you must" "When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat" "Open Source: The light side of computing. It's never too late to join" ------=_Part_11907_14869404.1193588014844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Point taken.

On 10/28/07, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Pierre Abbat wrote:
> Whatever we decide to call a geodesic dome, we need to distinguish it from
> other kinds of domes, which may be constructed with geodesics, but in a
> different arrangement.

Why do we *need* to do so?

> A few days ago I watched a video about the
> construction of what is now the Cricket Arena. Its greku consists of a ring
> of concrete columns, a tension ring, and many great circle arcs which meet at
> a compression ring near the top. It is a dome, and it contains of geodesics,
> but it is not a geodesic dome.

But it may be a rekyboldi'u or whatever word becomes the commonly used
word for geodesic dome in Lojban.  English may divide the word into
domes that Bucky Fuller would call "geodesic domes" and other kinds of
domes.  Lojban might divide the world into rekyboldi'u and other kinds
of boldi'u.

If it became critical in some rare instance (a patent translation
perhaps) to refer to the specific concept invented by Fuller, as opposed
to anything else, then it can be "rekybodi'u pe la bykifrl,r" or some such.

Lojban does NOT need to make the same distinctions that other languages
make in normal usage.  It may need to be able to make such distinctions
for possibly rare translation reasons, but those can be both ad hoc and
long-winded if necessary, based on Zipfean principles.

lojbab







--
Jared

"There is no emotion, there is peace;  there is no ignorance, there is knowledge;  there is no passion, there is serenity;  there is no death, there is the Universe"

"Work smart when you can and hard if you must"

"When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat"

"Open Source: The light side of computing.  It's never too late to join" ------=_Part_11907_14869404.1193588014844--