From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 29 00:37:00 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImPBD-0002j5-K2 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:36:59 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.177]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImPBA-0002iq-4I for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:36:59 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so2779340pyi for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:36:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yeAVBDeyDyDw0D1ltRqazbdowi6nw0ja6MNOgS5ibh8=; b=IX+kt0h/WSvRU2hC6IOOn7lIi16PXp28dMxtu7TXH+qUa5/yyaNPdPINx9c/l6iJ371ZmGMucL8Pn+T/lFhWrfWMoDvWlk4g1f+bvEoniwJPiHoRMm5oy2YEljqztpuetikToJ7ZgdCogSCxGtZLdsTaFenL7ExNo5qNTnji6ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aeJqxBcIRdPU3DRPEiTteHuFiq5QIJ6GPpRzbXT0tAXSXUFtZP8paijCSEFqj9wBV24J2sjEIa+bSRgkB009kcidqo8LH2/xyuPpVVfc6U1zDrAYYNMZ+OY/4K06FgYUrCVUGO4i0Bn9ZOvjUjrxEyg+FPulaEdEzCnN20NsBp8= Received: by 10.65.216.19 with SMTP id t19mr8689309qbq.1193643414615; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.156.11 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71550650710290036lf17ed19x6bb4d805fd6f547f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:36:54 +0200 From: "Yoav Nir" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome In-Reply-To: <4724B10B.6080107@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10615_28255184.1193643414606" References: <821531.97363.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <97f5058c0710261625md4f9d8dm60457d1351b2f025@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710270830k57e16d76ofe3a90a6ddd669a8@mail.gmail.com> <200710281051.09598.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4724B10B.6080107@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5731 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_10615_28255184.1193643414606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree. IMO "geodesic dome" is a concept that's used rarely in speech and in writing. That's why English uses two words ("geodesic" and "dome"). If this was something we talked about every day, there would probably be some combination like "geo-dome" with or without the hyphen. Similarly in Lojban, I don't see why we need to have lujvo for concepts that are used rarely. A tanru can work fine. There is a requirement that lujvo have a specific, well-defined meaning. You could say that any lujvo needs to be "in the dictionary". Do we really want to have that many words in the dictionary? Do we also want a lujvo for "Security Parameter Index"? How about "Security Association Data Base"? I think "database" should have a word, because it's rather broadly used, but not things that are this specific. On 10/28/07, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > > A few days ago I watched a video about the > > construction of what is now the Cricket Arena. Its greku consists of a > ring > > of concrete columns, a tension ring, and many great circle arcs which > meet at > > a compression ring near the top. It is a dome, and it contains of > geodesics, > > but it is not a geodesic dome. > > But it may be a rekyboldi'u or whatever word becomes the commonly used > word for geodesic dome in Lojban. English may divide the word into > domes that Bucky Fuller would call "geodesic domes" and other kinds of > domes. Lojban might divide the world into rekyboldi'u and other kinds > of boldi'u. > > ------=_Part_10615_28255184.1193643414606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree. IMO "geodesic dome" is a concept that's used rarely in speech and in writing.  That's why English uses two words ("geodesic" and "dome"). If this was something we talked about every day, there would probably be some combination like "geo-dome" with or without the hyphen.

Similarly in Lojban, I don't see why we need to have lujvo for concepts that are used rarely. A tanru can work fine. There is a requirement that lujvo have a specific, well-defined meaning. You could say that any lujvo needs to be "in the dictionary".  Do we really want to have that many words in the dictionary?  Do we also want a lujvo for "Security Parameter Index"?  How about "Security Association Data Base"?  I think "database" should have a word, because it's rather broadly used, but not things that are this specific.

On 10/28/07, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> A few days ago I watched a video about the
> construction of what is now the Cricket Arena. Its greku consists of a ring
> of concrete columns, a tension ring, and many great circle arcs which meet at
> a compression ring near the top. It is a dome, and it contains of geodesics,
> but it is not a geodesic dome.

But it may be a rekyboldi'u or whatever word becomes the commonly used
word for geodesic dome in Lojban.  English may divide the word into
domes that Bucky Fuller would call "geodesic domes" and other kinds of
domes.  Lojban might divide the world into rekyboldi'u and other kinds
of boldi'u.

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