From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 29 03:02:16 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImRRc-0001no-V1 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:02:13 -0700 Received: from web27705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.239]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImRRK-0001Zj-2O for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:01:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 85764 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2007 10:01:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=3xxVVoL/VU1KxDwqJp35+NR0HU1OwiVJ6VCdF35NH75K3scVZcTEuAe7kI2OrKNAjWrB5XNXEb1rGKrUhXMs9FEQxKr8HfAlWkRo2Pz+7FGKsevLO+sEBf5SkJc5EX7IWdYpnLd/BNUO5X4WpmUnqZcqYVOb866QxNMPCNgX9Q8=; X-YMail-OSG: G9NHr4kVM1l7rDWu4acZGeuEF3K0kjR0N.ksj1f_wWE4KswZbsNAR5OdTEaE3QQeR7uea6nQ2dBbBwI09zecD2E1hYpuX9yJUy6g9EzII9zCpxL. Received: from [130.239.156.94] by web27705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:01:18 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:01:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Isen hand Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1722863246-1193652078=:85634" Message-ID: <39672.85634.qm@web27705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5732 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: isenhand@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1722863246-1193652078=:85634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <<"geodesic dome" is a concept that's used rarely in speech and in writing.= >>=0A=0A=0A=0AIsn=92t than then an argument for just =93Lojbanising=94 the= word=0Aand then adding what it is in front. Something like: Tarmrgi,odysyk= dom (Shape geodesic=0A dome)?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AF= rom: Yoav Nir =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent= : Monday, 29 October, 2007 8:36:54 AM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geo= desic dome=0A=0AI agree. IMO "geodesic dome" is a concept that's used rarel= y in speech and in writing. That's why English uses two words ("geodesic" = and "dome"). If this was something we talked about every day, there would p= robably be some combination like "geo-dome" with or without the hyphen.=0A= =0A=0ASimilarly in Lojban, I don't see why we need to have lujvo for concep= ts that are used rarely. A tanru can work fine. There is a requirement that= lujvo have a specific, well-defined meaning. You could say that any lujvo = needs to be "in the dictionary". Do we really want to have that many words= in the dictionary? Do we also want a lujvo for "Security Parameter Index"= ? How about "Security Association Data Base"? I think "database" should h= ave a word, because it's rather broadly used, but not things that are this = specific.=0A=0A=0AOn 10/28/07, Robert LeChevalier wrote= :=0A> A few days ago I watched a video about the=0A> construction of what i= s now the Cricket Arena. Its greku consists of a ring=0A> of concrete colum= ns, a tension ring, and many great circle arcs which meet at=0A=0A> a compr= ession ring near the top. It is a dome, and it contains of geodesics,=0A> b= ut it is not a geodesic dome.=0A=0ABut it may be a rekyboldi'u or whatever = word becomes the commonly used=0Aword for geodesic dome in Lojban. English= may divide the word into=0A=0Adomes that Bucky Fuller would call "geodesic= domes" and other kinds of=0Adomes. Lojban might divide the world into rek= yboldi'u and other kinds=0Aof boldi'u.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A = ___________________________________________________________ =0AWant ideas= for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promo= tions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html --0-1722863246-1193652078=:85634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<"geodesic dome" is a concept that's used ra= rely in speech and in writing. >>

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Isn=92t than then an argument for just =93Lojbanising=94 the word=0Aand th= en adding what it is in front. Something like: Tarmrgi,odysykdom (Shape geo= desic=0A dome)?

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-----= Original Message ----
From: Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com>
To: = lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Monday, 29 October, 2007 8:36:54 AMSubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome

I agree. IMO "geodesi= c dome" is a concept that's used rarely in speech and in writing.  Tha= t's why English uses two words ("geodesic" and "dome"). If this was somethi= ng we talked about every day, there would probably be some combination like= "geo-dome" with or without the hyphen.=0A

Similarly in Lojban, I don't see why we need to have = lujvo for concepts that are used rarely. A tanru can work fine. There is a = requirement that lujvo have a specific, well-defined meaning. You could say= that any lujvo needs to be "in the dictionary".  Do we really want to= have that many words in the dictionary?  Do we also want a lujvo for = "Security Parameter Index"?  How about "Security Association Data Base= "?  I think "database" should have a word, because it's rather broadly= used, but not things that are this specific.=0A

On 10/28/07, Robert LeChevalier= <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:=
=0A> A = few days ago I watched a video about the
> construction of what is no= w the Cricket Arena. Its greku consists of a ring
> of concrete colum= ns, a tension ring, and many great circle arcs which meet at
=0A> a c= ompression ring near the top. It is a dome, and it contains of geodesics,> but it is not a geodesic dome.

But it may be a rekyboldi'u or= whatever word becomes the commonly used
word for geodesic dome in Lojba= n.  English may divide the word into=0A
domes that Bucky Fulle= r would call "geodesic domes" and other kinds of
domes.  Lojba= n might divide the world into rekyboldi'u and other kinds
of boldi'u.
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