From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 29 08:48:44 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImWr5-0003jr-Pi for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:48:44 -0700 Received: from mail.bcpl.net ([204.255.212.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImWr2-0003jh-Hi for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:48:43 -0700 Received: from webmail.bcpl.net (webmail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.24]) by mail.bcpl.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l9TFmDZX020054; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-WebMail-UserID: turnip Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:48:13 -0400 From: turnip To: "Jared Angell" , lojban-beginners X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002700 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome Message-ID: <472A4859@webmail.bcpl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5743 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: turnip@bcpl.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >===== Original Message From "Jared Angell" ===== > >If a word such a geodesic dome requires this much debate then if the >language suddenly had 1,000,000 speakers how would anyone ever be able to >get anything across on a specific topic. [snip] >Being able to say 'geodesic dome' should really not be so hard. I doubt it >took Fuller and a team of language buffs over a week of debating to make a >word for the concept in English. > This is a straw man. Of course if I invent anything, I can unilaterally call it what I want. Does that mean it's the only possible name for it? Of course not. That's why corporations have brainstorming sessions, focus groups and so forth just for deciding on a name, when they bring out a new product. The point of this exercise wasn't that there isn't a consensus of opinion on how to translate a given concept into lojban. It's that ANY or ALL of the names could be used and they will ALL be understood as meaning "geodesic dome" if they are in the least well-formed. This is not so with an English phrase like "geodesic dome" which if you just gave out devoid of context to 1000 passersby on the street in 1950, how many would have understood what it meant? --gejyspa