From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 29 09:31:01 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImXVz-0005Za-6d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:31:00 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImXVs-0005YW-KC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:30:58 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so1132671nfv for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AfYeGu5ZrRRpSpTmpRsk6sC0TqWIWnlG6r0neb9D68M=; b=mPo+HDqZFt0IpO4NSMsBHh9GjQPPpaVS57KP2NLW+vZlS0zq+ZXt+1cRaBCy4nk8KiYaZo6hbuNU8YO9a22VGBe9RROOmyzPnfz4jdQIrzVxKes6YETmos9KfyWplcdw7VlI/azIBSMC00Md6Frf/W85KBrfLGNhpvEULPPq56w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oIaLUswbUaFVfa3jWA7cydOl3lQi7FhhaYUfvHqsRogQYk8/YE1uJ/OgjYLuWjukg7KuAWqPVBs0jiwXYPTAV1ezvCKZ4TM3A5BZJ95vXuOV37Aqw9E/fVBjG2xWChSmz4e4JpAG5DRRELTXICvfUp3em3jqaV9N6Yo6ZtzAKbw= Received: by 10.86.51.2 with SMTP id y2mr4929888fgy.1193675445198; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710290930j5dfebe36qc97344149684720b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:30:45 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words In-Reply-To: <2204fa080710280918m78ec8989i2a62157b05a7064d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <975a94850710270735t210f5212s8d39dd0003c08578@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850710271658m5bdfbb23y7a0c7b271ad5acba@mail.gmail.com> <200710281120.42422.phma@phma.optus.nu> <2204fa080710280918m78ec8989i2a62157b05a7064d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5745 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/28/07, Jared Angell wrote: > Yes, I think it's hard for us to conceptualize sometimes that Lojban bridi > aare more like computer instructions or Logical expressions or mathematical > forumli than natlang statements. In terms of syntax, in terms of form, they are indeed somewhat more like computer instructions, Logical expressions or mathematical formuli, because the syntax of Lojban is defined to the last detail. Natlang statements also have their syntaxes, but it is much harder or even impossible to give full and explicit formulations of them. But in terms of semantics, in terms of content, Lojban is nothing like computer instructions or mathematical forumli, and only the most basic Lojban expressions are like Logical expressions. In this sense the goal is that Lojban should not be different from a natlang for a fluent speaker. mu'o mi'e xorxes