From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 30 15:35:48 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyFOd-0002Vy-7Q for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:35:47 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyFOW-0002VY-0a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:35:46 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so1962133nfv for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4OxBYnA4zzP/lJvAwJWifyl8bk9m2XNIEYKrMM7KpDA=; b=ry56O42ekk1kmfxpNckd5tYTYDRigkXK2XDvCyQEynisH/AOY/R4rcCMPSLovWa9k46aOI/yHEBNCtE6jVMxdRsSZSh35c/gYAAbk9xvoVihRB1XKd18+Xlu9hEJkltzlKruNEFyx0FMgrWgs5EWyfUmldJjwhR+6eghCBLkJI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A16aBgFTvQnGzgSgYpXehFr8ZkEYeMC0Vv1tYVWFd08NICHQXVog6T9xBZkzodtt2NPBmWbsBWdaEKugDFOk6DTZjI2kGfYh17/vx+rpDaBOLAmdYPMpnyqmBwwUy6nXDyJuY//IUEeINS+sykcDHbzid5/3FWT4P9cSWwTAcyA= Received: by 10.86.76.16 with SMTP id y16mr7761964fga.1196465733056; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560711301535t2d801cdai50cbb73fee6db6b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:35:33 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals In-Reply-To: <434584.30959.qm@web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <434584.30959.qm@web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Nov 29, 2007 12:33 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > I must admit I still have problems knowing when to use {di'o} and when to use {tu'i}. The general way to indicate a location is {bu'u}, which only indicates location. {sedi'o} indicates location+confinement. {tu'i} indicates location+permanence. In cases of location+permaence+confinement both {sedi'o} and {tu'i} may apply, and which one to use may depend on what you want to emphasize more. zvati: x1 is located in x2. se stuzi: x1 is permanently located in x2. diklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3. mu'o mi'e xorxes