From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 30 19:41:28 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyJEN-0004wP-K0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:41:28 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyJEH-0004vt-AO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:41:26 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so2082413rvf for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:41:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=V4oUMTESkXTYqrzX/vOE//VLGteNaNUT1Vg1Hlyw4p8=; b=HUWoKmA5XqlQFW2QWLcW9FS5KTRS9B/V8DrMT9hFdA7xHq8Jjo8MKnQrJdMFERsyvet+3VlJCx0WogFiXh8CAL2o/joVK7+swbmHOO4rKas22w8we33FgjkNl5hdSxusva9XRM+Vcn9gzq4m9dDu9u2ztG0hidzxpYLUejOuojE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LjXTJoWkp37YK1GdSKDeHtfbOtE2yhHaIEObPdLDmHZUj2Z/oBr5KZWdBxGLD+2EjneXsy0PciI/Ur5n5MsgBAzz2DF4PlCoFPLr+zbM1HdhZNWz0JYhWOqWyh32o+QHLPz/xL3MlpqEIva/WAEusDt8sdRZO1Joffvz/v0C7i8= Received: by 10.141.74.17 with SMTP id b17mr4427379rvl.1196480478524; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.16 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:41:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <97f5058c0711301941s6e75c1e1r267365a71ab1bc04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:41:18 +0800 From: Penguino To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals In-Reply-To: <593656.48498.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2769_24424322.1196480478504" References: <593656.48498.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_2769_24424322.1196480478504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *di'o* would probably mean "with locally-confined thing"... probably not as useful. On Dec 1, 2007 10:49 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jorge Llamb=EDas > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:35:33 PM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals > > On Nov 29, 2007 12:33 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > I must admit I still have problems knowing when to use {di'o} and when > to use {tu'i}. > > The general way to indicate a location is {bu'u}, which only indicates > location. > {sedi'o} indicates location+confinement. {tu'i} indicates > location+permanence. > In cases of location+permaence+confinement both {sedi'o} and {tu'i} may > apply, and which one to use may depend on what you want to emphasize more= . > > zvati: x1 is located in x2. > se stuzi: x1 is permanently located in x2. > diklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3. > > I may now be clearer on {sedio} and {tu'i} but am even more fuzzy on the > distinction between {di'o} and {se di'o}. Both seem to mean the same thi= ng, > at least sometimes. Is that so? > > mu'o mi'e andrus > > ------=_Part_2769_24424322.1196480478504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline di'o would probably mean "with locally-confined thing"= ... probably not as useful.

On Dec 1, 200= 7 10:49 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@roge= rs.com > wrote:
----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb= =EDas <jjllamb= ias@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:35:33 = PM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals

On Nov 29, 2007= 12:33 PM, A. PIEKARSKI < totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>  I must admit I still have pro= blems knowing when to use {di'o} and when to use {tu'i}.

The= general way to indicate a location is {bu'u}, which only indicates
= location.
{sedi'o} indicates location+confinement. {tu'i} indicates locat= ion+permanence.
In cases of location+permaence+confinement both {sedi= 9;o} and {tu'i} may
apply, and which one to use may depend on what y= ou want to emphasize more.

zvati: x1 is located in x2.
se stuzi: x1 is permanently located = in x2.
diklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3.

I may now be clearer on {sedio} and {tu'i} but am even more fuzzy on the distinction between {= di'o} and {se di'o}.  Both seem to mean the same thing, at lea= st sometimes.  Is that so?

mu'o mi'e andrus

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