From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 21 08:42:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5kxA-0003js-Jo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:42:28 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5kx1-0003jW-60 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:42:28 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so281650rvf.46 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:42:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3W1xWJJDB96R2PjgtE8Yjxa2NpEDdRP956y4Gb9tTk4=; b=XBr8QVH5lItmSHRhQ3/S5UqgQx+qcJKDda6IIzqD1VJO9WWYjooY4Dc9AMcUTASbfbhEZmQWRMjCjq2uFJ+6t+JhFKR/d7BXvovMboj8lvHx4IBHJeGxZM7fVl0YHP5LS2rjvD6oe2yyeD3r0ZIPRn7rnm2HP6elAjG/Yr9XLRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hr5FOUROSWavPH3nYC5+yQAtnONdoe8CViXKusqvc+JPsyuJXK9o0JDQE+FrePmlZCiDFJS1K6ee5g19yqteEg4wD0esD4fYw6uWh+n8Wq4BHsD6eiV+5UBPPn220OK7Ve0vuN7eWsyQdkxilWJS0u/2n0gW0ilCawthkSrE7hU= Received: by 10.141.68.12 with SMTP id v12mr868258rvk.111.1198255338439; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.202.21 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:42:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60712210842w2d9ba10fvf69015b33c13fccc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:42:18 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Correction please In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0712210830s56621eacxa546cf3f3041da09@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_803_15081061.1198255338412" References: <2f91285f0712210307i4aad2c31jc98c7b95fbb566f0@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712210658o71af36f7j9d3e73813ae6839f@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0712210830s56621eacxa546cf3f3041da09@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 10 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_803_15081061.1198255338412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 21, 2007 11:30 AM, Vid Sintef wrote: > > > > > She is characteristically a funny person. > > > ko'a sekai xajmi prenu / ko'a kai xajmi prenu > > > > No. This doesn't work. sekai/kai is a modal. It says that she > > (characterized/ or characterized by something unspecified) is a f unny > > person. You want ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u xajmi prenu (she is > characterized by > > the property of her being a funny person). > > > > --gejyspa > > What if it's her who characterizes the very property of being a funny > person, that is, she is funny in a way that is characteristic to her? > How about {ko'a kai ri xajmi prenu}? > > mu'o mi'e vid > That still doesn't work the way you want it to. Now it means "She, characterizing she, is a funny person." Rememeber that a BAI cmavo like "kai" is going to take at most one sumti following it. Let me ask a clarifying question, are you are trying to say that she is the epitome/embodiment of being a funny person (which is not what you asked before ("she is a characteristically funny person)") , or that her brand of humor is quirky, that what might be funny to her might not be funny to someone else ("she has an odd sense of humor")? --gejyspa ------=_Part_803_15081061.1198255338412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Dec 21, 2007 11:30 AM, Vid Sintef <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:


> > She is characteristically a funny person.
> > ko'a sekai xajmi prenu / ko'a kai xajmi prenu
>
>   No.  This doesn't work.  sekai/kai is a modal.   It says that she
> (characterized/ or characterized by something unspecified) is a f unny
> person.  You want ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u xajmi prenu (she is characterized by
> the property of her being a funny person).
>
>           --gejyspa

What if it's her who characterizes the very property of being a funny
person, that is, she is funny in a way that is characteristic to her?
How about {ko'a kai ri xajmi prenu}?

mu'o mi'e vid
  That still doesn't work the way you want it to.  Now it means "She, characterizing she, is a funny person." Rememeber that a BAI cmavo like "kai" is going to take at most one sumti following it.  Let me ask a  clarifying question, are you are trying to say that she is the epitome/embodiment of being a funny person (which is not what you asked before ("she is a characteristically funny person)") , or that her brand of humor is quirky, that what might be funny to her might not be funny to someone else ("she has an odd sense of humor")?
 
          --gejyspa


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