From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 21 09:18:51 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5lWM-0005Gk-VO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:18:51 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5lWI-0005GH-Rv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:18:50 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so196590fga.0 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RQomi7FSREbyJOBUNBHA9d2/uzYCzP9yB5RlszsU3/U=; b=bQbA/GdWRxF8ilZRBvyCuRrs9a3/nXECJYweI8d0PtxQ/xUXpauBBdHuJalE31SGAmgpY+VZB2iCGWupWPLUZWG/+gFRTiXkkE2iwiBo08/KqP+0QNKlx64PncPL5Yemta/W0vVidd2PSdARWEgl2iuC4cteSScbr+nlgJvzYn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kkTdwuwUY3EaKCaiXiSWlv3qHHJlKa07SqYXIQhnf5uGIxSL0M+K6n/yr/u2iHFSDMlJ4/9jGn0eIOGPKG/xlW9/UyI93euSNZ18TNs2MUXuFlqboERUGmCYz9MSAWrw5ZdvWwU4p6KYkqaZCnl7PFOPl8GhrdkWr/6s8hrXOD4= Received: by 10.86.87.5 with SMTP id k5mr1335532fgb.51.1198257525133; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560712210918g60337f01k5338fcbc9c895712@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:18:45 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Correction please In-Reply-To: <96f789a60712210833k4324e582l51fcef2560ba3c8b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0712210307i4aad2c31jc98c7b95fbb566f0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712210658w7edb9d37ub6fadd555c850e13@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712210718t2d387139pc1297defd995ff8e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712210749i7b9bc220j687f5175d6ca230d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712210833k4324e582l51fcef2560ba3c8b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Dec 21, 2007 1:33 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > 2) I > have rarely seen the giBAI broda gi brode used (although I see it is in the > CLL Chapter 9, section 8 (ex. 8.2, 8.3) The other way around: {BAI gi ... gi ...}. It can also be used to connect two sumti or whatever else geks can connect. > I'm not sure how this reads. Is > it in fact exactly semantically equivalent to "lo nu cirla zbasu cu > selylarcu du'i lo nu selsaske"? Not exactly. {lo nu cirla zbasu cu du'i gi selylarcu gi selsaske} is {lo nu cirla zasu cu selylarcu i du'i bo ri selsaske}. The two claims are at the same level, and said to hold equally. In the other case, there is a main claim {lo nu cirla zbasu cu selylarcu}, which has an added reference for equality, a subordinate event {lo nu (ri) selysaske}. It's not a big difference, but they are not exactly equivalent. mu'o mi'e xorxes