From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 26 07:20:51 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7Y3v-0003r6-BV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:20:51 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7Y3r-0003qt-6F for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:20:51 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1288214fga.0 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mOjUa37RWxFXLP1X6xXTUIcbYll5aCpcE8mGAHrgYNk=; b=ljB0TRh7uSxvorzrFqnTmzlXPuP/WjY1cCfZ8Idq3WUj1MAtNwdfs+CwpQr5deEibFENoXGgCGZOfLYx6cyA1jmq3Urk322qQsdf1Vp7LRYAj2bafELyNfS4M223rx5LtMH0vJWPZAtJvyzIBmDBxaXNTyDC+YTiMAteph0Zkok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q3x/d+Ob6xavozx84ZXdaSSKxp337Z/i43UULqLR8St2vUfvvSpROmrHtoupJcE7f1uhvxYTnwElN5D4cIqIjRtlWSrHT2Swq4zWyUTvRLUgWbKqjWGb+Ag0aFETVAGC7dLitXq9Bh46LkB3g2GovsEXHUoepBTrl589GDfNWmQ= Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr6780238fgb.45.1198682445592; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560712260720h79a85a40ldf662246410cbdcb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:20:45 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma In-Reply-To: <96f789a60712260624x6587b05r12e8f47670a497@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071225195037.f1affe0bd44gssgs@webmail.ixkey.info> <97f5058c0712252012g60c0f362qa057866ea28556b2@mail.gmail.com> <200712260106.34434.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60712260624x6587b05r12e8f47670a497@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 36 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Dec 26, 2007 11:24 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Dec 26, 2007 1:06 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > > Thus {zoi zoi. borzoi .zoi} is a valid quotation. About {zoi ly. > > Lythraceae .ly.}, I'm not so sure. > > Not according to the refgram, Chapter 19, section 10: > > " Its syntax is ``zoi X. text .X'', where X is a Lojban word (called the > delimiting word) which is separated from the quoted text by pauses, and > which is not found in the written text or spoken phoneme stream." > > Maybe this is different under dotside?? Or are suggesting it's fine in > writing, but not spoken due to the existence of spaces/nonspaces? The issue here is what does it mean for a word to be "found in the written text or spoken phoneme stream". As I see it, the word {ly} is not found in the written text "Lythraceae". As for the phoneme stream, it will depend on how it is pronounced. Only if "thraceae" is pronounced in such a way that it sounds like a Lojban word or words will {ly} be separated as a Lojban word. mu'o mi'e xorxes